I'm sick and tired of people saying...

who else is making CPUs. I dont care about Motorloa or VIA or these embedded part time institutions. What are the names that you see when you go into stores, AMD or Intel. If these two entities have production facilities or corporate offices anywhere in the US then niether one will disappear. Our monitored Capitolist system would not permit the Retail CPU market to fall into the hands of one company, AMD will survive either as an incorporated spinoff of another company or through Federal Funding. Thats all there is to it.

I hate to repeat my self but

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What makes me chuckle are post like these, this forum consists mostly (not exclusively) of people aged 15-20 and again most of which are full-time students yet to enter the working world or the business world. They have all these ideas of how marketing, business management and such should be dealt with but really have no idea what they are talking about. Now don't get me wrong, there are a lot of extremely well educated and informed members here but I have found typically their knowledge and expertise are limited to the technical aspects of computers and electronics but yet they love to speculate on market conditions, and corporate outlooks.

Please note I'm not directing this post at you specifically but rather the generic 16 year old high school student who is going to tell me and you and the execs at Intel or AMD why or what they're doing wrong.

I realize that my rambling rant isn't going to stop these posts from being made but for those of us who have a clue about such things just remember to think about whose post your reading and take it with a grain of salt.

Flame away kids

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Now don't take this as "you guys shouldn't talk about this stuff", a few actually sound like they make have a little education/experience in this area. but please refrain from definitive statements based on nothing but uneducated hearsay.


PS: does anyone here have an MBA?

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Originally posted by macutty
I hate to repeat my self but




Now don't take this as "you guys shouldn't talk about this stuff", a few actually sound like they make have a little education/experience in this area. but please refrain from definitive statements based on nothing but uneducated hearsay.


PS: does anyone here have an MBA?

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I'm 16, and I'm willing to learn anything, so do you have a problem with that?

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Originally posted by AMD_Man


I'm 16, and I'm willing to learn anything, so do you have a problem with that?

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No, I actually am quite impressed with the fact this sort of subject matter (business management) interests you. But when you post a thread like this try not to make your statements so definitive, rather pose a question so you may learn the way things actually work.

I would rather see more of these threads but in an open minded (willing to learn) type of fashion so that more of the SF team could understand what really drives these large corporations.;)

He has a problem with people with little experience who make posts that sound as if they are truely reflecting on what is or what will happen when all they're doing is musing on a topic that they probably have no better of a groundless guess just as other joe blow SharkyForums poster.

Then again there are a few exceptional posters as well.

*edit* Or at least I think he does :p :D.

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Originally posted by jagojago12
He has a problem with people with little experience who make posts that sound as if they are truely reflecting on what is or what will happen when all they're doing is musing on a topic that they probably have no better of a groundless guess just as other joe blow SharkyForums poster.

Then again there are a few exceptional posters as well.

*edit* Or at least I think he does :p :D.

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pretty much hit the nail on the head. But i will add, I would like to see more of these discussions, but aproached responsably so that we are also not improperly educating the other members. It may be just a fantasy, but you never know what may happen at SF:p ;)

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Originally posted by AMD_Man
that AMD is going to go out of business. Intel was in the exact same situation 2 years ago ( maybe even worse).

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While not having an MBA (my girlfriend & co-investor has one), I should say the real problem is how the question was originally framed.

When you mention going out of business, this is a financial statement, not a product statement.

It doesn't take an indepth knowlendge of memory interfaces, pipelines, or an MBA to spot their problems.

For example, they only had $600 million in revenue for the last quarter. They are spending roughly $200 million a qtr in R&D. Add this on to costs of goods sold, and its a sorry picture.

As long as they can't compete with Intels high end, they can't get the average price per unit up high enough to sustain their effort. Things are only going to get worse for the next 2 to 3 qtrs. They are roughly having to bet the company on Hammer. Personally, while its kind of a nice little CPU, I still don't see how they can charge a premium price for it. 64 bit means squat to most people. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see Intel put pressure on the FTC to make sure that AMD and computer makers make this clear to consumers. I keep hearing rumors of 2GHz as the top of the line introduction. IMHO that would spell disaster. They HAVE to get out of the cellar quickly in comparison to Intel.

It wouldn't surprise me to see them license the Duron to the likes of VIA and NVidia, and let them build the chip themselves.

I don't understand why everyone here thinks that no one else knows about AMD.... The majority of of desktop/workstation buyers know very well about AMD. The people who make recommendations for those decisions for companies (not make the decisions) are Usually pretty knowledgeable in terms of hardware. Thats just my experience anyways. I was never one of the people to recommend anything but I've always known someone who did for the companies I've worked for =) One is a really really dead company now but the other two are very large and still around. They all knew of AMD and one even went with AMD, once. But in the end they all went with Intel.

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Originally posted by jagojago12
He has a problem with people with little experience who make posts that sound as if they are truely reflecting on what is or what will happen when all they're doing is musing on a topic that they probably have no better of a groundless guess just as other joe blow SharkyForums poster.

Then again there are a few exceptional posters as well.

*edit* Or at least I think he does :p :D.

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Mordin never ceasing to amazing. He seems to know at least a little (if not A LOT ) about everything! :D

Anyway, you don't need to be a broker or have an MBA or even be over 18 to know that it's ridiculous that every time a company screws something up, people think that they're going to down.

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Originally posted by AMD_Man


Mordin never ceasing to amazing. He seems to know at least a little (if not A LOT ) about everything! :D

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Usually just a little ;) I’m a little older then most people in this forum, and have seen enough to see things from a little different perspective, that’s all. I am certainly not infallible, and I don’t pretend to be.

For example, once upon a time I was young and enthusiastic, and though that it was only a matter of time before DEC’s awesome Alpha processor pushed all the pretenders aside. Despite Alpha being the best processor in the world for more then a decade. Sometimes by a very wide margin, it never went anywhere. I’m old enough to have experienced things like that, and you will sooner or later as well. :)

Well, after reading this thread, I get the idea that the future of AMD doesn't look bright. I don't have an MBA but if I look around me at my work I can do an uneducated guess at what went wrong.

Companies don't like to take risks. They are willing to pay a lot more for hasslefree computing. At my work we recently had a whole pile of IBM's 300 PL's that were known to cause trouble. They were just piled up somewhere and replaced by new ones. We were told we could check it out to see what we could make of it, the rest would be thrown away. They are all 500 mhz PIII's or Celerons so you can put them to work at home as UT server or whatever. I have one PL and a GL at home and they are the most stable comps I've ever seen. You can throw whatever you like at them but they won't let you down. Not the best performance but stable as hell! Including warranty and servicecontract they cost around $3000 each. Just imagine a gamingrig for that price :)

All these PC's are Intel processsor with Intel chipset. No fuss, just reliability. And Intel rules this market. Then why did AMD, when they had the (Athlon)wind in the back, didn't put more of their R&D on building a good chipset? Now they can forget about it cause they don't have the money to develope such a thing. The way I see it they cannot get a foothold on this market any other way. And surely lot's of people from this forum are willing to take the time to get rid of the problems they encounter with their AMD but company's do not (nothing new about that, no flame intended).

Also: Our service department knows Intel. They know what they can do with them and how to solve problems. If they switch to AMD they have to start all over again. Not an easy task for AMD to get in there... And I guess you can't make a living these days out of homecomputers :(

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For example, once upon a time I was young and enthusiastic, and though that it was only a matter of time before DEC’s awesome Alpha processor pushed all the pretenders aside.

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What happens to enthusiasm when you get older? Does it just slide away until you become a grampa and then you yell at little kids all day to stay off the yard?

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Originally posted by macutty


PS: does anyone here have an MBA?

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JD with emphasis in corporate/securities/finance and 1/2 and MBA. does that count?:p

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Originally posted by 2March
All these PC's are Intel processsor with Intel chipset. No fuss, just reliability. And Intel rules this market. Then why did AMD, when they had the (Athlon)wind in the back, didn't put more of their R&D on building a good chipset? Now they can forget about it cause they don't have the money to develope such a thing. The way I see it they cannot get a foothold on this market any other way. And surely lot's of people from this forum are willing to take the time to get rid of the problems they encounter with their AMD but company's do not (nothing new about that, no flame intended).

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Thats an interesting ponit you make there. From what i read the AMD760 was extremely stable almost "Intel like"(if not a little slow). But when mobo mnaufactors turned it into the 761 (ViA southbridge) the thing wasn't as stable but it was cheaper and faster.

If AMD had kept the mobo makers under control a little better could they have pushed into the work station market a little ?

I tend to think they should have pulled it off themself. Build a good north and southbridge and find a motherboardmanufacturer that implements them in a no thrills mobo with integrated graphics and sound. As a desktop for starters. Performance is not that much of an issue. I'm sure that PIII-500 performs better on my old Abit BX6 then on that IBM-mobo but the IBM has a better BIOS and is rock stable.

That way they would have had something to offer to company's. But I fear it's too late for that. It will take them years to proof the stability of the platform cause company's don't switch easely. Intel has the name...