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Did someone mention Star Wars??? Damn, how did I miss THIS thread? Oh wait... this thread has nothing to do with Star Wars, other than the fact that, much like that idiotic Jar-Jar thing, it's a complete waste of time.
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This is completely irrelevant. For AMD to build a chip that clocked as high as the P4 (in an equivalent fab process of course) they would have to sacrifice per-clock performance as well. The mark of excellence for a processor isn’t performance per clock, it’s performance period, the clock rate used to achieve that performance is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
exactly. I like amd cause I know my xp2000 overclocked to 2GHz and beyond eats pentium4's clocked much higher :) I dont care if you say a 3.5GHz pentium4 eats anything amd has, it does, but amd does not have 3.5GHz either and if they did, their 3.5GHz would badly eat Intel's 3.5GHz :)
As I said, it's totally pointless now.
I wish I could've locked this thread, but more people seemed to have answered to "pointless" questions aroused by me, and by others who don't read my questions.
Fine, Intel is the king of CPU. Lets leave it at that, please, no more posts.
To clear things up, it began with
"What breakthroughs has Intel got planned? Because Athlon seems to be taking all the spotlight"
Then suddenly people started flaming, and calling me stupid.
Okay....
This thread was never meant to be a flaming thread. But this forum saw it as that way.
I posted this thread after reading a lot about Athlon 64-bit processor and wanted to know what Intel has as its competition.
Also, please, this is not a law class.
You guys are taking it wayyy to seriuosly. Look at some of the posts.
You take my points and poke holes into them, like a lawyer would do.
So are you happy now? You won your case. Okay? You know all there is to know about processors.
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Did someone mention Star Wars??? Damn, how did I miss THIS thread? Oh wait... this thread has nothing to do with Star Wars, other than the fact that, much like that idiotic Jar-Jar thing, it's a complete waste of time.
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Complete waste of my time and everybody elses time.
And do you think I would just sit here and let people tell me that
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"Is this suppost to be a sarcastic thread????"
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"But Wankey, you're just.... wrong. So wrong, there is no point even attempting to explain it to you."
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"this is one of the stupidest threads i have yet seen here on sharkys."
When did I ever get angry with my first post?
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Can't Intel see that the Athlon 64 processor is going to rule the market?
Always in past history Intel was slightly higher than AMD. But now, Intel is hugely behind.
Maybe Intel will pull something like AMD did when AMD released it's 1Ghz processor a week before schedule. (or something like that, my memory of then was a little blurry)
Oh well, I still like Intel because of their ground breaking "Pentium" processor. Though AMD seems to be gaining the high ground now.
You people can just say that because you're all behind a computer.
You should think before you start typing.
I don't know how to argue with you people, because the experience I've had arguing with computer nerds aren't that nice to think of.
They're either cocky super duper asses who think they know all their one sided bias information.
or people who don't listen to other people.
Please try to prove me wrong... I've heard very good things about this forum.
And chill.;)
Instead of crying about nobody reading your posts and being flamed, why don't you respond to the questions Moridin asked you in his quite thoughtful post? Your response to those questions . . .
(Perhaps there is an important news source we've overlooked.)
The problem is that you started off with the assumption that AMD is about to take some big lead over Intel when it’s debatable whether they will even catch up. You then just expected people to accept that assumption even though you never gave them any reason for them to do so.Quote:
Originally posted by Wankey
To clear things up, it began with
"What breakthroughs has Intel got planned? Because Athlon seems to be taking all the spotlight"
Then suddenly people started flaming, and calling me stupid.
Okay....
This thread was never meant to be a flaming thread. But this forum saw it as that way.
I posted this thread after reading a lot about Athlon 64-bit processor and wanted to know what Intel has as its competition.
If all you want to know is what new technologies Intel has on their roadmap there was never any need to bring up AMD at all. If you want to know what Intel has to do to match the A64, the answer is they probably do not have to do anything since the P4 is already a more advanced chip then the A64 will be.
As a rough analogy, your question was the equivalent of saying, “Europe is way ahead of the US in the race to put a man on Mars, what doe the US have planned that will let them catch up?” The answer you would almost certainly receive is that Europe isn’t racing to put a man on Mars, and isn’t ahead if they are. It would be foolish to expect anyone to just accept that Europe is ahead in this “race” and start giving you details of the US space program.
Instead of complaining that people are not giving you the answer you want, why don’t you reformulate you question and re-evaluate why you currently believe what you do. If you do this you will get a much better picture of what people are trying to tell you, that is they disagree with the basic assumptions you are bringing to the discussion. In this case it is up to you to either re-evaluate those assumptions or present evidence to support them, but don’t become upset because people disagree with them.
BTW, if people had said you were stupid, I would have had no choice but to intervene, as that would be an AUP violation. What a lot of people said (some in a not particularly nice way…) was that you are wrong. It’s ok to be wrong and it’s ok to tell someone when he or she is wrong, otherwise it isn’t possible to have a meaningful discussion. This should not upset you.
after reading this thread i have to agree somewhat with wankey on this one. he just wanted to know how intel would reply to the mass chips AMD has been putting out. instead he got flamed.
unfortunately i do not have the answer but i begin a summer intern position monday with intel. ill be assisting in the chemical aspect of chips and hopefully i will get enough info to share with you guys on the future of intel. wankey for now you just have to go to both the intel and amd websites and look at the roadmaps. IMO, both intel and amd will seem to have somewhat of an "edge" over the another at any given time. ive learned from reading in this forum that posting "XXXXX company has an edge over XXX" will only get you flamed. its like saying to someone that their mother is hot. (ok bad analogy) but if you say to your friend that their mom is hot, they will argue with you and in turn say "no, your mom is hot" and this keeps going back and forth.
hope this helped :)
edit**son of a monkey...moridin must have posted while i was writing this so this may sound redundant. well mine sounded better:D
Thats bull...i agree that it sucks amd is using + rating system...but if they didn't 50% of the ignorant people out there buying computers would be like...well 3 ghz is the same price as a 2.2 ghz...im buying the 3 ghz. AMD knows this and would lose TONS of sales...The people that know better are the minority of the people buying the computers sooooooo...Quote:
Originally posted by Wankey
And also, AMD should stop its stupid number sign Marketing campaign and go back it the gigahertz sign marketing. Because if they do so, it suddenly shows, that a AMD 2.2ghz, and a Intel 3Ghz, are the same.
So people will obvsiouly by 2.2ghz because if the slow one can beat a fast one, then what if the slow one becomes faster?
I'd rather buy an AMD 1.9Ghz which out runs a 3Ghz rather than a AMD 3000+ (it's the same, but calling it a different name just makes it sound cheesy).
And why can't Intel implement this type of architechture?
It's at freaking 3Ghz, if it uses AMD quadpump crap stuff, it'll be like 5000+
kirkyg
Ahhhh, Wise Moridin has spoken with his infinite knowledge!
(insert praying smily)
It doesn't upset me when people say I'm wrong.
It upsets me when people look at a post and be all cocky about it.
I won't give you an example (just scroll up), but oh well.
Hope we learnt a lesson today.
p.s - oh, and sorry Moridin, I seemed to have skipped over ur post. You probably posted when I was writing, so sorry.
proxemo666:
Thanks, and nice job - Intel chemical stuff eh? oooohh. When are you guys gonna launch the "Light Processor"? lol. :p
and now that you mention it in ur sig, they are the hottest women alive. hehe ;)
I don't see that everyone has flamed / insulted you. If you don't appreciate some of the comments, then just put those who made them on ignore. As for what Intel 'has up their sleeve', well if the next die shrink to .09micron allows them to scale the same architecture up to 10GHz, that should keep them in the game for quite some time. The other issue I raise way back, and was reiterated in different forms, is the issue of software support. Even if AMD comes out with the 'ultimate' 64bit processor that Intel can't touch, it's not going to sell if there's no O/S and apps to go with it. How much better is the 64bit processor going to be running 32bit apps? The fact is, when Intel says 'This is the direction we're going' many jump on board. When AMD tries to innovate, many take a wait and see attitude.
That I didn't know, Thank you sir :)Quote:
Originally posted by ua549
Intel has a lower cost desktop Itanium chip in the pipeline for next year.
I've got a question, Is the 3.2ghz P4 moving to prescott or is it still based on the Northwood desgin ? IF it's the latter, when we will see (roughly of course) prescott ?
Prescott will show up in 4Q03, unless it slides to 1Q04. Look for happenings the last part of October 2003.
Hmmm, very good points.
So with the current .13 micron cast we've nearlly reached our max already? (e.g. 5Ghz)
Wow, that really shows how far we are already.
hmmm, how small can we get? Does anyone know the limit? (I know the smallest we can get is to the atom width)
I wonder if and when we get to super small die casts.
hmm, and also, what other things does Prescott offer other than better HT and double L2 cache? Improved Architecture?
oh, UA549, how is Windows Server 2003?
And Office 11?
they are both fine. I've been running Win2k3 for a long time (more than a 1 1/2 years and Office 11 for a few months.