Doom and HalfLife are Crying

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Originally posted by Terry
PCGAMER did mention that Doom 3 looks much better than FarCry

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Um, no it didn't. It said Doom3 looks SLIGHTLY better than FarCry and then detailed dust specs floating on the Mars surface as the reasoning.

That said, where Doom3 does beat FarCry is in optimization. FarCry took machines to their knees to deliver on the amazing graphics.

My question is with physics. The graphics on FarCry were only part of the story, the awsome physics engine was a huge part of the experience.

While I know that HL2 has great physics, nothing has been said of Doom3 in that regard. Will it live up to FarCry in the evironment department?

We'll find out soon.

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Originally posted by kpxgq
taking out graphics.. farcry was one of the most mediocre games i have ever played IMHO

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Well maybe if you turn the resolution down to 320X200 in 16 bit and hook up a game pad it would deliver the experience you seek?

the physics engine is custom built by id themselves to fit the game...things like rolling barrels...shooting boxes around...and of course ragdoll deaths will all be in the game...even in multiplayer there will be objects that can be moved around and such...

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Originally posted by PointlesS
the physics engine is custom built by id themselves to fit the game...

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As long as I can hit a light and have it react realistically, shoot a rope and have things fall down, stuff like that, I'll be happy.

:)

From what I've read, Carmack himself is a real physics whiz. I doubt he would have let a screwy physics engine see light of day.

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Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
The funny thing about the Far Cry arguement is that I kinda disagree with both sides.
Those who think far Cry is one of the greatest FPS games ever, or at least of the past several years.
And those who think it's boring, reptitive, mediocre crap.

Far Cry didn't revolutionize anything (except for maybe graphics), but it didn't do anything wrong either. Some people seem to rag on it because it wasn't revolutionary and didn't try and reinvent the wheel. I don't think that's fair unless you are looking for a completley new experience, or are judging it against the best games of all time.
Far Cry is a solid, solid shooter with excellent FPS gameplay, interesting additions like vehicles and huge enviorments, and fantastic graphics. Just because it doesn't become the next Half Life, doesn't mean it's not a very good, solid game.
I guess thats one of the drawbacks to such an overcrowded genre now. FPS are so common and so overdone, that if a shooter doesn't bring something really new or interesting to the table, it's going to be poorly received.

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How can you argue an opinion? Say what you will, my opinion still stands. You think it's a very good, solid game...I disagree. So what.

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Originally posted by Fig
How can you argue an opinion? Say what you will, my opinion still stands. You think it's a very good, solid game...I disagree. So what.

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Um, thats kinda what a discussion is. You state your opinion, explain it, and others either agree or disagree, and say why. I disagreed, and said why. I didn't say your opinion was wrong or that mine was right, just stating the difference and why I felt differently.

That usually how conversations work.:cool: ;)

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Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
Um, thats kinda what a discussion is. You state your opinion, explain it, and others either agree or disagree, and say why. I disagreed, and said why. I didn't say your opinion was wrong or that mine was right, just stating the difference and why I felt differently.

That usually how conversations work.:cool: ;)

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lol... so true... thats why i always try to put "IMO" or "IMHO" in all my posts..

without opinions and arguments, sharky-forums would be dead.... even Tbird brings alot of life into these forums

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Originally posted by kpxgq
... even Tbird brings alot of life into these forums

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Well, lets not get carried away now...:D ;)

:p

I agree with you PointlesS on the size of the environment in FarCry. You can talk to 10 people and they may have beat a level 10 different ways. Getting around the islands by boat, buggy or walking will present different challenges. This is unique as opposed to the majority of past games where you have to fight your way down a hall, road or cave.
Also I'm glad to see a game that challanges some of the top powerhouse computers. There are still a lot of games that require 800Mhz processors (min) or better where FarCry recommends 2Ghz or above. These more demanding games will in turn keep the wizards who make these machines work harder to make faster, more powerfull chips to meet the needs of us gamers. I can hear the whining now...Now I need to buy a new video card...Wha Wha Wha. Buy the card, stop the whining and don't look back because it will be on sale next week.
People who only use MSWord and check email do NOT need 4Ghz, we do.

I loved Far Cry, but the storyline was a big steamy pile. Far Cry has great graphics, but my current PC(1800XP, Ti4200) lacked the horsepower to reveal the eye candy.

I'll now how HL2, D3, and FC stack up after I played them. I'm not drawing any conclusions till then.

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There are still a lot of games that require 800Mhz processors (min) or better where FarCry recommends 2Ghz or above.

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minimum requirements on games are more like minimum requirements to not kill yourself from the agony of playing a slideshow. the actual minimum requirements to achieve a somewhat playable experience are generally far above what's printed on the box.

also, the farcry engine isn't exactly aMAZING in terms of scalable performance.. so saying it's great because it has higher system requirements is silly. the d3 engine will put cryengine to shame, imho.. and will still manage to look better AND run better on slower systems that would otherwise struggle with farcry. if you aren't quite sure, this is NOT a good thing for farcry.

hl2 has yet to be seen, but i'm expecting similar engine performance from valve.

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Originally posted by Geforce255

My question is with physics. The graphics on FarCry were only part of the story, the awsome physics engine was a huge part of the experience.

While I know that HL2 has great physics, nothing has been said of Doom3 in that regard. Will it live up to FarCry in the evironment department?

We'll find out soon.

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Far Cry's physics were far too cartoony for my taste. Even the Doom3 Pre Alpha build had better physics IMHO.

I'm enjoying farcry's physics. Today, I was on a hill, 3 guys were coming from below, and theres an explosive barrel next to me. I pushed it down, and shot it when it was next to them. Call it cartoony, I call it damn fun.
I would say that FarCry, Doom 3 and hl2 are 3 completely different, and incomparable games. FarCry is the simple, fun shooter with huge outdoor environments, doom3 is the claustrophobic horror movie kind of game, and hl2 is... well, half-life. Massive suspense, best story of the 3, and hopefully good gameplay.

Realism with physics: HL2 > Doom3 > Farcry
Developers have to realize that normal physics numbers can't be punched in into a simulation and behave realistically.
If you do some research, you'll find that simulations require some tweaks in physics to mimick real life.
The rule of thumb is you have to make everything faster.

I believe Airplane simulation trainings for pilots are 1.5x real life, but that's the speed that resembles real the best.

Farcry... I don't know, when I was hitting that shark in the demo it was just not swinging right. Granted I have not hit a shark on a string in real life ;)