M$ To Require HDCP-protected Monitors To Display Premium Content With Longhorn

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Originally Posted by Bearded Kirklander

I can understand someone liking DRM, but don't you also support fair use rights and choice of hardware?

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ABSOLUTELY. But if you are playing legal content, it isn't an issue. If the USER is abiding by fair use terms, then what difference does it make?

It isn't like MSFT just decided to do this. They have the entire industry behind them. For the first time in a while Microsoft is actually pushing new technologies and trying to innovate.

If you want to use the latest and greatest content and services, you'll have to buy a new monitor. If you want to get digital TV, you have to buy a digital dish or cable box.

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whew you guys are fast at posting...so I have to edit to put my comments into context and place the quote I'm refferring to;

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DRM is necessary for on demand content such as Napster, Yahoo Music, Rhapsody, and the soon to be redone Netflix. The companies finally created a fantastic solution allowing people to download content without having to pay a per-song/track/movie premium and people still complain. Everyone just wants everything for free. That's what this is REALLY about. This isn't about "big brother" or any crap like that. It's about people not being able to play their pirated Xvid video of the new Harry Potter movie 3 days before it even comes out.

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ummm....no

ppl will boycott this crap - and then Wintel/MPIA/RIAA and their minions will cry ..boohoo....and Blame the lack in Sales on Piracy -- just like they are doing now

The $1 a song is a Great idea -- but Apple had to muck that up by instilling their stupid copy/format protection on it...

I am REALLY looking forward to a streaming movie service. It probably won't happen until both hardware and software vendors can create a secure enviroment for that type of thing. The lack of DRM is holding us back.

Someone is going to say "Yeah, but it will just be haxxored, so what's the point?" Sure it will, but it will be a hardware hack and not a quick software hack that everyone can download or send to their friends over Yahoo Messenger. It will take technical know-how, and have a cost assosiated with it. Thus, only the hardcore crackers will get their hands on it and it won't effect the indsutry.

People will not boycott it. The crackers and hackers will boycott it. Most people will accept it overwhelmingly. Every person I've introduced to Rhapsody has loved it and most of the people now have multiple accounts in their homes. There is nothing else like it. It's fantastic.

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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

ABSOLUTELY. But if you are playing legal content, it isn't an issue. If the USER is abiding by fair use terms, then what difference does it make?

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The point is, in this case, you have to purchase different equipment just to play what you bought. Don't you think that goes too far?

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Originally Posted by I4one

ppl will boycott this crap - and then Wintel/MPIA/RIAA and their minions will cry ..boohoo....and Blame the lack in Sales on Piracy -- just like they are doing now

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I'm not sure people will boycott it much, really. People are like sheep being led around like lemmings. They haven't stood up to the DMCA, cable deregulation, excessive limits to their freedoms (such as the recent Supreme Court Case where they said cities can condemn and take over land even for private corporate use), etc.

I have no faith that they are going to try to stand up against something like this now.

People will complain about the cost of things like Rhapsody, but let me tell you this: at $10-$15 a month it is one of the cheapest things out there. I have over $100,000 in music. I will have to subscribe to Rhapsody for 555 years for it to pay for itself at $1 a song. I throw my music on my H10 and I can take it anywhere I want.

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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

People will complain about the cost of things like Rhapsody, but let me tell you this: at $10-$15 a month it is one of the cheapest things out there. I have over $100,000 in music. I will have to subscribe to Rhapsody for 555 years for it to pay for itself at $1 a song. I throw my music on my H10 and I can take it anywhere I want.

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You just don't live in the real world yet, dude.

Microsoft should NOT be able to basically invalidate a $1,000 monitor purchase just because it feels like it.

I'd be like the government saying "Well, you have to throw all your cars away cause we are forbidding the sale of gasoline. We are switching to Fuel Cells starting January 1 of 2006. Dump your cars and buy new ones."

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Originally Posted by Bearded Kirklander

The point is, in this case, you have to purchase different equipment just to play what you bought. Don't you think that goes too far?

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I hate that idea, but at least I'm getting something. I'm getting the ability to use new DRM services. If I don't want to use them, I don't need to hardware.

Honestly, is there anyone here that wants to use the new DRM services that is saying "Damn. I really wanted to use the new Netflix and pay $20 a month, but I can't with my monitor." I doubt it. The people who are pissed about this are the same people that wouldn't touch DRM with a 10-foot pole becuase they still believe everything should be free and they should be able to do whatever they want with it.

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Originally Posted by Bearded Kirklander

You just don't live in the real world yet, dude.

Microsoft should NOT be able to basically invalidate a $1,000 monitor purchase just because it feels like it.

I'd be like the government saying "Well, you have to throw all your cars away cause we are forbidding the sale of gasoline. We are switching to Fuel Cells starting January 1 of 2006. Dump your cars and buy new ones."

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Kind of like the way the government is saying that in 2009 you will HAVE to buy an HDTV, because all normal TV transmission will stop?

Microsoft is NOT FORCING you to buy a $1,000 monitor just because it feels like it. It's helping facilitate the ability for you to use future DRM services if you want to use them. That is ALL. All your videos now will work fine. All your videos will work under Longhorn. With your current monitor you may NOT be able to subscribe to Netflix in the future. That's really more Netflix and MPAA than Microsoft. They are the ones who are going to create the media. It's up to them if they want to use DRM or not. Complain about them if anything, not Microsoft.

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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

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The reason that they are focusing on these DRM technologies is that a lot of record lables and movie studios are worried that someone is going to crack software DRM and you are going to end up with users that have the entire Napster library downloaded to disk, that can then crack it. I can't say I blame them. They could potentialy lose hundreds of thousands of dollars per person for anyone who cracks DRM on a wide scale. Imagine if there was an EXE I could run that would batch processes and remove DRM from my Rhapsody files. I could run it tonight, and tomorrow morning have robbed them of close to $100,000. That's just me in 12hrs time. Give it a week, and Rhapsody after half their userbase no longer needs the service because all their files are unlocked. No thanks.

There are some leaked rumored screens out that Netflix is trying to come out with their own DRM movie service. They probably won't do it until some kind of hardware DRM is available.

The posbilities of DRM and broadband are endless. Imagine when fiber hits homes and you can watch any show anytime, or instant pick a movie from a library 5 times the size of your local Blockbuster.

What, exactly, is the problem with DRM if you aren't using pirated material? The only reason we even give it a second thought is because piracy became "mainstream" and accepted. Never should have been.

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um...no again;
The reason they are doing this is to "track" your habits and market to you - just like any "wired" system you now have hooked up does..that's why "Cable" was introduced (in the beginning it was the only way to get better resolution) -- but Broadcast Analog TV was sent 'over the air" ...and without those stupid morons who aloowed Nielsen to put those stupid boxes in their home -- they;d have no way of determining .. who was watching What, and when

don't kid yourself...it's ALL about advertising my friend
Wait till you can't skip over those 15min commercials in the beginning of the movie (just like some stupid DVDs). When I go out the Movie Theatre (rarely) -- I go 20min LATE...that's when the Movie starts

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Originally Posted by Bearded Kirklander

I'm not sure people will boycott it much, really. People are like sheep being led around like lemmings. They haven't stood up to the DMCA, cable deregulation, excessive limits to their freedoms (such as the recent Supreme Court Case where they said cities can condemn and take over land even for private corporate use), etc.

I have no faith that they are going to try to stand up against something like this now.

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the base is building BK -- don't lay down just yet

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Originally Posted by I4one

um...no again;
The reason they are doing this is to "track" your habits and market to you - just like any "wired" system you now have hooked up does..that's why "Cable" was introduced (in the beginning it was the only way to get better resolution) -- but Broadcast Analog TV was sent 'over the air" ...and without those stupid morons who aloowed Nielsen to put those stupid boxes in their home -- they;d have no way of determining .. who was watching What, and when

don't kid yourself...it's ALL about advertising my friend
Wait till you can't skip over those 15min commercials in the beginning of the movie (just like some stupid DVDs). When I go out the Movie Theatre (rarely) -- I go 20min LATE...that's when the Movie starts

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That's not even worthy of a response. To track you? You think that's what DRM is for??? To track you? Put on your aluminum hat, they are coming for you.

*EDIT* I mean there IS a tracking element, don't get me wrong, but DRM has nothing to do with that. No doubt that Rhapsody tracks my downloads. That's how it knows which artists get the biggest slice of the pie. But seriously, why do you care of Napster knows you like Linkin Park? No on is FORCING you to use it.

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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

People will complain about the cost of things like Rhapsody, but let me tell you this: at $10-$15 a month it is one of the cheapest things out there. I have over $100,000 in music. I will have to subscribe to Rhapsody for 555 years for it to pay for itself at $1 a song. I throw my music on my H10 and I can take it anywhere I want.

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There's a LOT of crappy music out there ...your welcome to ALL of it -- just don't let your support allow them to keep producing the garbage

just like fine wines -- the GOOD stuff costs more ;)

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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

Kind of like the way the government is saying that in 2009 you will HAVE to buy an HDTV, because all normal TV transmission will stop?

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Actually, that is not the case at all. You may want to do some research.

The analog signals will be stopped. The digital signals will be implemented. All you have to do is buy a $30 DAC and you should be fine. The government already has a bill indicating that they will provide funds to lower income families to subsidize this cost.

I don't agree with the forced conversion from Analog to Digital for the free broadcast networks, but it is not going to have the kind of impact that this will.

Why not build the DRM 100% into the drive itself? That way it doesn't impact your existing computer setup. Why basically take over the entire video setup on your PC when that is just not needed?

With a self-contained HD player, you are simply adding to your existing setup. No need to change software, monitors or anything.

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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

That's not even worthy of a response. To track you? You think that's what DRM is for??? To track you? Put on your aluminum hat, they are coming for you.

*EDIT* I mean there IS a tracking element, don't get me wrong, but DRM has nothing to do with that. No doubt that Rhapsody tracks my downloads. That's how it knows which artists get the biggest slice of the pie. But seriously, why do you care of Napster knows you like Linkin Park? No on is FORCING you to use it.

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um....
In case you weren't paying attention over the last 10-20yrs...um ppl SELL info for $$$ - and that info is GOLD to them