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10-26-2002, 03:37 PM
Sinnersis

Speed freak I suggest you vist the other thread in this forum:
http://www.sharkyforums.com/showthre...02#post1203402
Number1sixerfan has given me some brilliant links (I'm also new to water cooling) and from what I've read peltiers are not to be ignored. (Look at the temps number1sixerfan has quoted :eek: ).

Also thanks to Pyro and Kennrippy for the info provided. :cool:
10-26-2002, 04:52 PM
number1sixerfan

Quote:

Originally posted by Pyro
speed freak, here are some answers for your future questions. :D

Water flow: Pump ---> heatercore/radiator ---> CPU waterblock ---> NB waterblock ---> GPU waterblock ---> Reservior/bleed tube ---> back to the pump.

Its exactly like kenrippy's.

Bleeding your watercooling system

With a fill & bleed assembly do you need an airtrap, reservoir, or none at all?
10-26-2002, 05:27 PM
speed freak

Quote:

Originally posted by number1sixerfan

With a fill & bleed assembly or do you need an airtrap, reservoir, or none at all?

sorry, I really am clueless to what you are talking about :confused:

I would like to know the difference between keeping it in a tank, and "bleeding" would you not need a tank still?
10-26-2002, 08:06 PM
number1sixerfan

Quote:

Originally posted by speed freak

sorry, I really am clueless to what you are talking about :confused:

I would like to know the difference between keeping it in a tank, and "bleeding" would you not need a tank still?

Sorry for the confusion, but I am not sure whether or not you still need a reservoir with a bleeding assembly. I thought you didn't.:confused: Anyone know?
10-26-2002, 09:55 PM
Pyro

Quote:

Originally posted by number1sixerfan

With a fill & bleed assembly do you need an airtrap, reservoir, or none at all?

At first in the thread I thought the fill/bleed tube was the right way to go. But after checking out the reservior kenrippy had, I recommended speedfreak the tube reservior instead.

In the below flow chart, I had included both options of where the reservior or the bleed tube should be placed, not both.

Water flow: Pump ---> heatercore/radiator ---> CPU waterblock ---> NB waterblock ---> GPU waterblock ---> Reservior/bleed tube ---> back to the pump.

Sorry for the confusion, I didn't really state that in earliar posts.
10-26-2002, 11:05 PM
number1sixerfan

So you don't need both. It's either reservoir or fill & bleed assembly, correct? What's wrong with the fiil & bleed assembly?
10-26-2002, 11:50 PM
Pyro

Quote:

Originally posted by number1sixerfan
So you don't need both. It's either reservoir or fill & bleed assembly, correct?

Correct

What's wrong with the fiil & bleed assembly?

Nothing at all. I just think the tube reservior looks more professional.
10-27-2002, 01:05 AM
number1sixerfan

Ok glad to clear that up. With a bleeding assembly there is no maintenace, so I think I'll go down that route. I saving up for A swiftech based WC rig.
10-27-2002, 01:12 AM
kenrippy

hey guys, sorry i've been out of town for a few days.

regarding the Innovatek "Tank-O-Matic" reservoir and 1/2" tubing. I've seen it done before by using it without the retainer nuts that tighten and make the seal. you just slip the 1/2 tubing over the whole fitting and use a hose clamp or large zip tie to make the seal. It's kinda iffy if you ask me though.

also on the tube type reservoir, the main thing is to have the INLET hose or tube way down low in the water so the air bubbles will not be sucked back into the lines. and have the OUTLET tube (the one that goes into the res) a couple inches higher than the inlet tube. the way Innovatek designed theirs is absolutely perfect. it makes for a guraanteed air gap:

https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2002/10/3.jpg
10-27-2002, 02:06 AM
speed freak

Quote:

Originally posted by kenrippy
hey guys, sorry i've been out of town for a few days.

regarding the Innovatek "Tank-O-Matic" reservoir and 1/2" tubing. I've seen it done before by using it without the retainer nuts that tighten and make the seal. you just slip the 1/2 tubing over the whole fitting and use a hose clamp or large zip tie to make the seal. It's kinda iffy if you ask me though.

also on the tube type reservoir, the main thing is to have the INLET hose or tube way down low in the water so the air bubbles will not be sucked back into the lines. and have the OUTLET tube (the one that goes into the res) a couple inches higher than the inlet tube. the way Innovatek designed theirs is absolutely perfect. it makes for a guraanteed air gap:

http://www.highspeedpc.com/images/wpeC.JPG

so the water would drop down?

also, so, a res. would be great, and I would not have to learn this new thing on bleed (how to do it) ?

I want to thank you all for helping me out, as I am still in the dust as what this and that is and so on.
10-27-2002, 02:13 AM
kenrippy

the water line on that res pictured above would be over the top of both tubes. (see my pics) it's just that the much smaller intake tube would allow any air bubbles to not be sucked back into the system. thus creating a SELF BLEEDING system. so if you have a res like this or similar you won't need any bleed tubes or anything like that. bleeding is another word for removing air.
10-27-2002, 02:20 AM
kenrippy

T line

this pic is of a "T" line added to a system that doesn't have a res. this is used for a bleed/air gap instead of a res. the purpose of this is so the air will be trapped in the top of the T where it can't get into the main system. you just put a cap on the top of it and also fill your system from there. it's best to have the top of the T line near the top of the case.

http://www.dtccom.net/~spchrc/html/i...s/image011.jpg
10-27-2002, 03:11 AM
speed freak

so, if I do the tubular way, then there is pretty much no maintanance?
10-27-2002, 03:17 AM
kenrippy

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Originally posted by speed freak
so, if I do the tubular way, then there is pretty much no maintanance?

i don't see any maintenance either way. it's just harder to get all the bubbles out with the "t" setup. figure the water jetting by the "t" and some of the bubbles won't make it up the t-line because of the speed of the water. it will take longer to bleed the system that way. with a res like that tank-0-matic the bubbles bleed first pass thru.
10-27-2002, 03:20 AM
speed freak

why cheaper?

it pushes more water, and sounds good, am I still better off with the enheim (sp?)
10-27-2002, 01:16 PM
kenrippy

Quote:

Originally posted by speed freak
why cheaper?

it pushes more water, and sounds good, am I still better off with the enheim (sp?)

from what everyone says, Eheim is the standard by which every other brand of pump is measured. reliability, noise, heat etc. but reliability being the most important.
10-27-2002, 01:46 PM
Pyro

Alot of people highly recommend the Via Aqua Pump. Its not a bad choice, but as kenrippy said "Eheim is the standard by which every other brand of pump is measured. reliability, noise, heat etc. but reliability being the most important."
10-27-2002, 03:20 PM
speed freak

Thanks, I'm heading out for a bit today, but I have just a few more things to confirm before I order.
11-04-2002, 11:35 PM
speed freak

sorry for bringing this thread back, but I just need to clarify a few more things

1) what tools do I use to mod the case?
2) any new parts coming out by Dec. or Jan. that I should worry about?
3) would it be possible to put the rad. in the hard drive rack at the top in the back and just drill a hole out of there, so the warm air travels out instead of through the case?
11-04-2002, 11:48 PM
speed freak

http://deucescritique.netfirms.com/water-cool.gif

Kinda what I was thinking of
11-04-2002, 11:49 PM
speed freak

OR, whould that affect the cooling of the water :confused:

I'm confusing myself now :(
11-05-2002, 01:27 AM
kenrippy

hey speed freak,

The one thing I see that needs some change is the rad air flow should be sucking fresh air in. not having case air going thru your rad. and it might get a bit warmer up near the psu it will be the warmest thing in your case. by the looks of your drawing, you might want to go with what I did. just a few thoughts....btw when are you gonna build this thing?
11-05-2002, 07:41 AM
Sinnersis

I was intending to put the radiator on my system above the PSU (In a Lian Li PC 70) and put two fans in front of the radiator and two fans behind (or something to that affect).

I can't use the space where the intake fans are since I will need that for hard disks. Any opinons / suggestions on that Kenrippy (or someone)?

Thanks again :D
11-05-2002, 09:41 AM
number1sixerfan

Quote:

Originally posted by Sinnersis
I was intending to put the radiator on my system above the PSU (In a Lian Li PC 70) and put two fans in front of the radiator and two fans behind (or something to that affect).

I can't use the space where the intake fans are since I will need that for hard disks. Any opinons / suggestions on that Kenrippy (or someone)?

Thanks again :D

What type of radiator are you gonna use?
11-05-2002, 11:42 AM
speed freak

Quote:

Originally posted by kenrippy
hey speed freak,

The one thing I see that needs some change is the rad air flow should be sucking fresh air in. not having case air going thru your rad. and it might get a bit warmer up near the psu it will be the warmest thing in your case. by the looks of your drawing, you might want to go with what I did. just a few thoughts....btw when are you gonna build this thing?

Ok, thanks

BTW, I have until late Dec. to early Jan. but I wanted to clear all this up as aoon as I could.

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