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lol.
Funny how you all love to bash nVidia.
But I did see the explosions while using the 42.86's. So I am inclined to not believe this rumour, which is exactly what it is.
Don't forget, ATi has pulled quality stunts before... and Paladyr, you're ALWAYS there to defend ATi, we all know that well :p
Thanks,
I am tired of crap like this. I come here to read up on new ideas and how one hardware performs against another. Not to be attacked over and over again from the same person.
This is the only forum I belong too, since I do not have the time to invest into more then one.
Since I resell hardware/software and provide support on many different levels to my customers. I have the liberty to experiment with various different motherboards, processors (well mostly Intel), video cards, hard drives, etc.
I have mentioned this over and over. When everyone was complaining about there IBM 60GXP had died. I had built over 200 computers along with that drive. NOT a single one died to this date! Most of my customers are attorneys and small business. I did have 1 IBM 60GXP die on me, but it was sitting on my shelf for a few months. Don’t know if it had fallen or not or whatever.
But people complained left and right about there IBM drive dieing.
Granted I don’t use only IBM drives now, I use Maxtor and Western Digital also for my IDE drives.
I have a boat load of Seagate drives die on me, but everyone praises them. Does this make me wrong yet again? No. I loved Seagate prior to my unfortunate mishap. I might try them again later this year but I have been very happy with another drive.
What are you talking about??? I'm defending nVidia?? Did you ALSO not read this thread? I said I don't think nVidia is deliberately trying to cheat or anything!!! WOW!!! It is amazing how low the reading comprehension and or how high the laziness is here!!!Quote:
Originally posted by KaoTiK
lol.
Funny how you all love to bash nVidia.
But I did see the explosions while using the 42.86's. So I am inclined to not believe this rumour, which is exactly what it is.
Don't forget, ATi has pulled quality stunts before... and Paladyr, you're ALWAYS there to defend ATi, we all know that well :p
You guys are looking at the wrong benchmark. The VERY FIRST test, there are no flames at all, no shells ejecting from the machine guns, just black smoke. On the CPU test, there are flames + black smoke + shells ejecting from the machine guns.
Re-run the test and watch the VERY FIRST test, you'll see there are no flames when the planes collide or any shells ejecting from the machineguns. I'm Re-DLing 3Dmark'03 now, and I'll take a screenshot of that exact frame. I'll even test it out on my brothers rig just to see if it's DirectX9, or the Detonator 40 drivers, since he has DirectX8 and the 30.82's Dets. I'll report back in a bit.
WOW!!! It just keeps getting worse!!! I wonder why www.storagereview.com created a database for 60GXP's and 75GXP's to show the VERY HIGH FAILURE RATE of those drives. I guess you don't know as much as you *think* you do???Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
Thanks,
I am tired of crap like this. I come here to read up on new ideas and how one hardware performs against another. Not to be attacked over and over again from the same person.
This is the only forum I belong too, since I do not have the time to invest into more then one.
Since I resell hardware/software and provide support on many different levels to my customers. I have the liberty to experiment with various different motherboards, processors (well mostly Intel), video cards, hard drives, etc.
I have mentioned this over and over. When everyone was complaining about there IBM 60GXP had died. I had built over 200 computers along with that drive. NOT a single one died to this date! Most of my customers are attorneys and small business. I did have 1 IBM 60GXP die on me, but it was sitting on my shelf for a few months. Don’t know if it had fallen or not or whatever.
But people complained left and right about there IBM drive dieing.
Granted I don’t use only IBM drives now, I use Maxtor and Western Digital also for my IDE drives.
I have a boat load of Seagate drives die on me, but everyone praises them. Does this make me wrong yet again? No. I loved Seagate prior to my unfortunate mishap. I might try them again later this year but I have been very happy with another drive.
Also, please READ THE ENTIRE THREAD so that you can follow along and know exactly which benchmarks you should be testing.
I would stop digging the gigantic hole you have created.
Sorry dude that is the first test. I used frame 740 b/c it was the frame they used on the first screen shot. However I can take a shot of another frame.Quote:
Originally posted by JustWhitman
Thats the wrong test. Thats the CPU test, and the flames show up there. The one they are referring to is frame 2,297 of the VERY first test that runs. Even on my card, there are no flames there. Everyone is getting the flames and stuff on the CPU test. So take a screenshot of frame 2,297 of the first test that runs and post that one.
Give it a second, Posted before the upload! :)
http://home.attbi.com/~ckubryk/benchmark/test3.jpg
I'm not attacking you... i'm simply pointing out that you can't be considered an unbiased source. I'm sorry, but anyone who says an IQ matched comparison of cards with screenshots is unfair is biased towards the card that stands to lose.Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
I am tired of crap like this. I come here to read up on new ideas and how one hardware performs against another. Not to be attacked over and over again from the same person.
I think we all started of on the wrong foot.
I apologize to all who i offended with that conspiracy theory bs.
If any of you are from new york pls post a reply and i will buy a drink.
I said it was only unfair b/c the reviewers are the one's who make the call. I prefer real life experience. Which is what I have! I know that alot of people complained about there IBM 60GXP, but I havent had a problem. Can this be a fluke? Maybe, But they all had different manufacture dates.
BTW: On the screenie, It wont let me capture screen 2297 on the first test. The max is 1274.
And the screen shot I had taken earlier is fair. They used both 740 and 2297. If you want to compare drivers, they have to be of the same frame. Plain and simple!
EDIT: I can post the last image of the first benchmark, but the screen capture of image 1274 is all black. Last frame before switching to next benchmark.
Im from Brooklyn :) I should be back in my hometown for a visit in a month or so. When it starts to warm up :DQuote:
Originally posted by Weedkiller420
I think we all started of on the wrong foot.
I apologize to all who i offended with that conspiracy theory bs.
If any of you are from new york pls post a reply and i will buy a drink.
Good man.Quote:
Originally posted by Weedkiller420
I think we all started of on the wrong foot.
I apologize to all who i offended with that conspiracy theory bs.
If any of you are from new york pls post a reply and i will buy a drink.
Well, those other SS's prove nothing then. Because those are the ones where the flames appear anyways. It's the frame 2,297 that is being disputed. Not to be an a$$, but its kind of odd how it wont work for you, but whoever took the SS's in the first post managed to get it to take one from that exact frame.
That is true... but if all the reviews concur in that card "A" has to have higher aniso to equal the quality of card "B", it is safe to draw conclusions using only their opinion in terms of IQ.Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
I said it was only unfair b/c the reviewers are the one's who make the call. I prefer real life experience.
Here is the IQ test for 3DMarks03 with the max frame setting showing:
http://home.attbi.com/~ckubryk/benchmark/setting.jpg
I never denied that ATI doesnt have a better Image quality. They are amount the best I had seen. Which is why I used one in the past, But I had problems quite a few of the games I love to play. It has been awhile, and there drives have matured overtime.
That is the main reason why I would try them again once 9900 are released.
I dont want to start a flame but, This is how I feel and you cannot dispute my feelings :)
They prove that they are wrong (not mine). If you look at the first 2 SS's of this thread. They have one of frame 740 and one from 2297. However the first benchmark doesnt have a frame 2297. So that leads me to believe they are ******** SS's in the first place.Quote:
Originally posted by JustWhitman
Well, those other SS's prove nothing then. Because those are the ones where the flames appear anyways. It's the frame 2,297 that is being disputed. Not to be an a$$, but its kind of odd how it wont work for you, but whoever took the SS's in the first post managed to get it to take one from that exact frame.
Interesting:
These are the max frames they allow for IQ settings.
GT1 - 1274
GT2 - 2222
GT3 - 2161
GT4 - 2039
If you know of another way to capture that exact frame. I am opened to ideas
I find this statement rather interesting with the nvidia fans or people who cannot support Mother Nature. (GF4 on 3DMarks03)
When I tried to take a IQ shot of the mother nature test. I get the following message "The test cannot be run because the hardware cannot support it. However, you can run the test using the reference rasterizer if DirectX9 SDK is installed"
I am going to try that!
That is kind of odd. I'm still waiting for this damn thing to DL again :p, then I should have some better input. Because I can atleast see then how many frames I'm at when my test hits the same "time period" as in the first SS posted.
I remember there are different sections in the first test, but I have no way of taking a shot of it with the IQ test.
I dont want to run the benchmark and keep taking screenshots. I would be there forever trying to hit frame 2297 :)
Quote:
Originally posted by Weedkiller420
I think we all started of on the wrong foot.
I apologize to all who i offended with that conspiracy theory bs.
If any of you are from new york pls post a reply and i will buy a drink.
Yea , sry also , i was a bit harsh with you :).
Colosus , i am also a hardware reseller in Montreal , we got a lot of IBM 60GXP hdd for RMA, drives just died :) , personaly i had 2 X 40 GB , one died and the other one i sold because it was extremely hot ,how ever latest revisions worked ok , from 200 sold only 2 or 3 came back to us if i remember good , most RMA we hawe now are for videocards and CDRW.
Thanks for the information. But I think part of my success with the IBM 60GXP drives is that I don’t resell to Joe Blow off the street. I am strictly a business consultant/ reseller. So if a company needs a hard drive replacement or 20 systems built, I would have fans installed behind the drive. I like keeping my drives cool :)
It could be a number of reasons why they haven’t failed, but I try not to think about it. My clients are noob's when it comes to computers so they don’t overclock and most of the time they are rarely using 5% of the drive.
EDIT: If I was harsh with anyone then I am sorry.
PS: The comment about my BMW was that it shows I am somewhat successful in my business. I don’t think I will ever buy a car again with a loan. I prefer cash, and I got an awesome deal!
I would like to point out that the Det drivers 42.86 suck! I am having major problems with games now that I have those drivers back installed. I need a solution to how I can capture frame 2297 quick before I go back to 41.09.
The games I play are acting funky and randomly crashing left and right now.
Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
Thanks for the information. But I think part of my success with the IBM 60GXP drives is that I don’t resell to Joe Blow off the street. I am strictly a business consultant/ reseller. So if a company needs a hard drive replacement or 20 systems built, I would have fans installed behind the drive. I like keeping my drives cool :)
Joe Blow :) ,....yes sometime i ask my self how some people can belive all the bull i trow to sold something .
About fans on HDD , well i am a salesman , for the money they pay me i don't give a damn if from 300 hdd all came back for RMA and when i work in the repair shop and i find a bad component i write the cause from myself and not the real cause .
Usualy when i repair something i write on the tag :
item : defect
cause : Unknown
If they pay me some 25 $/hour then YES i would do everything right and i would make suggestions when i see something wrong.
I know what you mean. I used to work in a small computer shop back in Brooklyn, NY. And most of my money would be commission with a $13/hr salary. I loved that job, but since I was only 18 at the time. 100% of that part-time job plus some of my fulltime job salary went to computer parts. But I would get everything at wholesale.
I remember buying a box of TDK 10 CDROM discs for $15 each and TDK had a coupon for a $20 mail in rebate. However we were selling them at $20 ea but since I bought them at wholesale, I made $5 on each 10-pack. And the box I bought was a box of 10 :) My boss printed me some receipts and then voided it. Then I mailed all the coupons to TDK with different family names :)
Those were the days :)
Then after I left both the part-time job and full-time job, I started to work in Manhattan making 50K a year before the age of 21. Man I put myself indebt so far it’s not even funny!
I need to get out of this addiction to computers!