I know what he is trying to say.. Just because you had purchased it after you tried to pirate it, doesnt make it right :DQuote:
Originally posted by ewitte
The part that he was referring to was not being able to use the PURCHASED copy.
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I know what he is trying to say.. Just because you had purchased it after you tried to pirate it, doesnt make it right :DQuote:
Originally posted by ewitte
The part that he was referring to was not being able to use the PURCHASED copy.
Eric
NO, I did not try to pirate it, why cant you understand that. I wanted to see if it was possible to pirate it, NOT TO ACTUALLY PIRATE IT. There is a difference in my intention...Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
I know what he is trying to say.. Just because you had purchased it after you tried to pirate it, doesnt make it right :D
did u some sort of a receipt? I am sure steam system says that you have bought the game ...
It does not make it wrong either ;) Too bad it did not get locked before the purchase. He could have just searched for another crack :)Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
I know what he is trying to say.. Just because you had purchased it after you tried to pirate it, doesnt make it right :D
Eric
You could dispute the charge, definetely. Try calling Valve, too; they may take pity on you.Quote:
Originally posted by Matt_E
Still, what Valve is doing can't be legal. He paid for the product, and is not getting it. Were it purchased via credit card, I'd dispute the charge.
I'd bet that in the EULA there are a bunch of clauses saying that they can revoke your membership if they suspect you of piracy. The degree of piracy (i.e., whether he was trying the game out to see if it ran, seeing if hackers had cracked the game, or planning on never buying the game) probably doesn't matter much to Valve. It's like that old saying: "The prisons are filled with innocent men." The internet is filled with pirates who were "going to buy the game."
You entered a incorrect serial number. That was enough intentions.Quote:
Originally posted by SmoothCorn
NO, I did not try to pirate it, why cant you understand that. I wanted to see if it was possible to pirate it, NOT TO ACTUALLY PIRATE IT. There is a difference in my intention...
So I guess if I point a gun at someone to see if I could. I shouldnt have charges press, because I had no intent of pulling the trigger. Yes I know that is a tad extreme, but shows that intent doesnt matter much.
Like I said earlier call steam/valve about it.. Call their customer support line.
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Play dumb (works for females :D, *hides*)..... Just say you dont know why you are banned and deny.. Or claim something, i dunno.
yes the internet is filled with those who were GOING TO BUY THE GAME... yes, but I am actually one of those who BOUGHT THE GAME....Quote:
Originally posted by Abarine
You could dispute the charge, definetely. Try calling Valve, too; they may take pity on you.
I'd bet that in the EULA there are a bunch of clauses saying that they can revoke your membership if they suspect you of piracy. The degree of piracy (i.e., whether he was trying the game out to see if it ran, seeing if hackers had cracked the game, or planning on never buying the game) probably doesn't matter much to Valve. It's like that old saying: "The prisons are filled with innocent men." The internet is filled with pirates who were "going to buy the game."
yes, according to eula they can take away the game for various reasons, like piracy.. Obviously I have no legal stance against them.
Hilarious. The guy gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar and now he wants us to see him as a victim?
There is absolutely nothing about either (1) the Steam registration process (2) the cost of the game or (3) the long-ish loading times that can reasonably justify thievery.
Only in the world of PC-related commerce do hackers, crooks and whiners attempt to pose as Robin Hood for having figured out a way to steal what isn't theirs and when it doesn't work -- like it didn't for the genius who started this thread -- they want our sympathy.
Please.
Gabe has delivered big-time with HL2 and I'm glad he is able to protect his intellectual property against scroungers, ingrates and criminals!
All true, except: What valve is doing is having you buy a candybar after the fact, then swiping it, and not refunding you the money.Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
I dont see a reason why it is illegal...
If you stole a candy bar from a store then came back later because you felt guilty or whatever and paid for the candy and even admit to it. He can still press charges. You did the crime, and Im sorry that you were banned... I would contact their support line and see if they can trafter the paid HL2 to another steam account.
Yes, he tried to pirate the game, but then he paid for a separate copy. So, that should be treated entirely separately. What gives Valve the right to take your money without providing what you pay for? That's stealing on their part.
Fellas...yes, he tried to pirate the game, which is rotten, regardless of intent, or how "far" you tried to take it.
But then he plopped money on the table for a legit copy. Even though Valve may spell it out in the EULA, I don't think it has legal standing.
At the very least, they should refund the money.
Think about it: The guy pays 54.99 for a piece of software that Valve bars him from ever using.
I call that stealing his money.
Nah, it's called "teaching him a lesson".Quote:
Originally posted by Matt_E
I call that stealing his money.
He can either return the game for a refund/store credit or he can contact Valve and plead his case. For all his protestations of innocence, what he is embarrassed to do -- but will have to if he wants to play HL2 -- is call Valve and tell them that he got banned because he tried to pirate their game. If they think he has learned the error of his ways they will unlock his account. If he gives them the same kind of silly rationalisation or litany of excuses for his actions as he is offering here, then Valve should let him stew.
Valve has no legal standing taking his money "to teach him a lesson". It is not up to Valve to hand out punitive measures & take people's money for it.
One of the reasons I hate this whole steam concept. Even if you are legit, they can prevent you from even playing the single player setup. Bummer, man.
Some folks on the newsgroups have talked about having great success with those NO STEAM patches. Maybe that would work?
BTW - Piracy = BAD
Anybody who pirates deserves what they get, I figure. You do the crime, you do the time.
YET again not true, once you authenticate, decrypt and save your username/password.. You dont need to validate on steam ever again...Quote:
Originally posted by Bearded Kirklander
One of the reasons I hate this whole steam concept. Even if you are legit, they can prevent you from even playing the single player setup. Bummer, man.
Some folks on the newsgroups have talked about having great success with those NO STEAM patches. Maybe that would work?
BTW - Piracy = BAD
Anybody who pirates deserves what they get, I figure. You do the crime, you do the time.
Heh, Valve only "took his money" because he gave it to some retailer after he discovered he couldn't play the game for free. And there is nothing punitive about Valve's conduct here; they are exercising their right to protect their property. As I said before, if he has the courage to fess up, Valve will unlock their goodies for him.Quote:
Originally posted by Matt_E
Valve has no legal standing taking his money "to teach him a lesson". It is not up to Valve to hand out punitive measures & take people's money for it.
You know those coin-operated boxes that sell newspapers? You can pay one quarter and take two papers but they depend on an honor system. Since no honor system is even conceivable among gamers who always want something without paying for it, Valve has simply found a way to take the initiative.
That intent of his would be very hard to prove for Valve.
One more time: I do not condone his conduct of trying to pirate software, not at all. I find it disgusting, and have not participated in that practice in over a decade.
But, he did pay 54.99 to Valve. For what?
That's right. I have never experienced a moment's difficulty playing this game offline.Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
YET again not true, once you authenticate, decrypt and save your username/password.. You dont need to validate on steam ever again...
Look at it as a form of taxation of stupidity. Seriously.Quote:
Originally posted by Matt_E
But, he did pay 54.99 to Valve. For what?
.Quote:
Originally posted by TwIce
Look at it as a form of taxation of stupidity. Seriously.
No legal standing for this vigilante action. You can't go around and do whatever you want.
exactly...there's even a card that EXPLAINS how to use it in offline mode...and it even explains what puts it in online mode...I don't know how they could've laid it out any betterQuote:
Originally posted by TwIce
That's right. I have never experienced a moment's difficulty playing this game offline.
Ok, here is what happened. I entered the key into steam and a few days later I bought the game VIA steam. After entering the key I could have went ahead and downloaded the game. I didnt do that because I was planning on buy it in a few days.Quote:
Originally posted by TwIce
Heh, Valve only "took his money" because he gave it to some retailer after he discovered he couldn't play the game for free. And there is nothing punitive about Valve's conduct here; they are exercising their right to protect their property. As I said before, if he has the courage to fess up, Valve will unlock their goodies for him.
You know those coin-operated boxes that sell newspapers? You can pay one quarter and take two papers but they depend on an honor system. Since no honor system is even conceivable among gamers who always want something without paying for it, Valve has simply found a way to take the initiative.
so you never played the game...just entered the key and left it there? they probably just did a search on what accounts has that exact key and banned them all...I understand your anger but on the other hand you can't blame them for what they did...they can't go though 20,000 accounts and find which one actually bought the game after entering that key and which ones are still using it...
What you did was hardly grand larceny. But trying to give Valve your hacked key on Steam was like the guy who held up a bank but left his drivers license on the counter!Quote:
Originally posted by SmoothCorn
Ok, here is what happened. I entered the key into steam and a few days later I bought the game VIA steam. After entering the key I could have went ahead and downloaded the game. I didnt do that because I was planning on buy it in a few days.
I'm not moralising, SmoothCorn. I'm simply stating the obvious: You can solve your problem by fessing up to Valve, not appealing for sympathy on this board. That might make you feel righteous but it won't help you play HALF LIFE 2!
I can't believe how people actually try to justify stealing. I'm not saying I never did it, but there's no way you can justify it.
How can valve seperate him from rest of the thieves? Say you walk into a store and steal something. Then you go back later and they recognize you as the guy who just stole from them but you buy the same exact item you just stole. Does that mean you are innocent? Does that mean that just because you paid now, it makes up for what you stole before? No. You will be arrested. Give it a try if you don't believe me...see what the jury says.
Now another thing...everyone is cursing Valve for trying to protect their games and their profits...WHY? Why don't they have the right to try to protect what they've worked hard for?
If you live with someone and they lock the door of your house, should you be angry that now you have to take out your key to get in...or *GASP...wait for them to open the door if you have a problem? Shouldn't you be able to secure your valuables? Or should everyone leave their doors wide open to make sure it's not inconvenient for anyone...thieves included? Valve is just trying to protect themselves. Everyone has the right to.
The last thing is the backlash people have to this protection. Saying things like "just because I need steam, now I'm going to pirate Half-life 2...MWUAHAHA...that will teach you VALVE!"
Ok so next time I see your car...if you have an alarm or have it locked...I'm going to steal it just because you tried to prevent me from doing it. MWUAHAHA...that will teach you from trying to stop me from stealing your stuff!
Sorry for the vent but there's just been too many topics on this stupidity.
Those of you upset about the bannings, what you going to do about it?
There are 20,000 of you. Surely it doesnt take more than 5 mins to figure out how to retaliate against Valve. Valve has declared war on you, so do something about it.
Such as boycotting all Valve present and future products, all games that licensed Valve Source engine (ie. their partners), and emailing Valve's partners and telling them you will no longer buy anything made with Valve technology. Email all *potential* Valve partners thinking of even licensing the Source engine, and telling them not to bother because 20,000 who wont be buying. It takes about 80,000 copies sold to break even on most game projects these days so do the math.
Valve just screwed their own business partners and publisher ROFLOL :D
BTW the forum that is owned by Valve just erased the huge thread on this - I gather they're very, very afraid of the publicity, and are even more afraid of what you 20,000 will do should/if you get organized...
Im off to play CS: Source online now ;) Cya