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Im starting to agree with that more and more, but its just about the only thing to talk about on piracy.Quote:
Originally posted by PointlesS
discussing morals is like discussing which porn star is hotter...no one will agree on anything and you won't change anything
It is theft. Theft of stealing someone's work. What's so shady gray about this?
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That's some really intelligent judges you have there. The library still purchased the book. They didn't download and print it up. The publisher and writer still got paid for their work.Quote:
Originally posted by Freddy_Kruger
They are trying to make it illegal in canada, but so far the judge says its like going to the library.
You can try to justify it all you want. You download a program without paying for it, you're a thief.
People have the right to share, at least in canada.Quote:
Originally posted by Matt_E
It is theft. Theft of stealing someone's work. What's so shady gray about this?
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edit: granted it is a little out of hand but im sure solutions are on the way. Technology must go forward.
The person who cracked the game also bought it. The publisher got paid.Quote:
Originally posted by Un4given
That's some really intelligent judges you have there. The library still purchased the book. They didn't download and print it up. The publisher and writer still got paid for their work.
You can try to justify it all you want. You download a program without paying for it, you're a thief.
The writer only got paid once for that book, and got nothing for the hunderds of times its borrowed out.
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Originally posted by Freddy_Kruger
They are trying to make it illegal in canada, but so far the judge says its like going to the library.
Colosus, people like you are so p*ssy whipped with the threat of going to jail in america you really are clueless. There are degrees of seriousness to crimes. piracy is not theft, well not a serious theft anyway. I would say its a lot closer to video taping television shows to robbing a bank. But anal retentive preachers think differant. pfft.. if i found a bag of money i wouldnt hand it in either what a crook i am. You all should check out suprnova forums, there are more posts in one day then 6 months here so I know I cant be alone in this.
Freddy, just a bit of cursory research shows Canada does indeed have some strong copyright protection laws in place, which apply to software.
Sure, we are one of the most law abiding nations on earth. We didnt tget that way by throwing millions of people in joil either. I think their is a common sense that prevails here. In america you can get 25 years for stealing pizza slice or tommy chong (a canadian) can get 8 months for having a bong. Crap like that dont happen here and our streets are far safer than anything in usa.
Sharing software, and making copies to sell, are viewed differently up here. So Far *crosses fingers.
Plus we will be able to grow dope legally like in holland soon. :) If I grow dope before its legal does that make me immoral? if I wait till it is legal, as it should be, does that make me moral? or since its only a candian law and still illegal in the states, does it still make me immoral?
A quick overview of Canadian software laws.
Freddy, I think you have a badly mistaken perception of copyright laws in your country.
As much as that doesn't really make sense, I'll try and respond.Quote:
Originally posted by Freddy_Kruger
people like you are so p*ssy whipped with the threat of going to jail in america you really are clueless. There are degrees of seriousness to crimes. piracy is not theft, well not a serious theft anyway.
In the US, software piracy is considered a serious theft, the penalties for it if you get caught are huge.
I don't think Freddy has a good grasp on Canadian intellectual property laws, if they were non-existant like he thinks, no one would bother trying to sell anything since it would be legal to steal it.
you know what, there are millions of laws, mostly written by interest groups that mean almost nothing. I never read that link u put up but... I'm guessing it would be more designed to stop me from say, starting a publishing company and reprinting all otf stephen kings books and making money of it. Or to stop me from reprducing cds and musics to sell as my own.
If it does say, Sharing games is illegal, it certainly isnt being enforced.
You misspelled the word "sense".Quote:
Originally posted by mynameis
As much as that doesn't really make since, I'll try and respond.
In the US, software piracy is considered a serious theft, the penalties for it if you get caught are huge.
I don't think Freddy has a good grasp on Canadian intellectual property laws, if they were non-existant like he thinks, no one would bother trying to sell anything since it would be legal to steal it.
you misspelled reproducing.Quote:
Originally posted by Freddy_Kruger
reprducing
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Originally posted by Freddy_Kruger
you know what, there are millions of laws, mostly written by interest groups that mean almost nothing. I never read that link u put up but... I'm guessing it would be more designed to stop me from say, starting a publishing company and reprinting all otf stephen kings books and making money of it. Or to stop me from reprducing cds and musics to sell as my own.
If it does say, Sharing games is illegal, it certainly isnt being enforced.
It isn't being enforced in the US either. It is still wrong. Also, you were wrong in stating it was legal in Canada.
Do whatever you want, but it sounds like you are badly trying to somehow justify what you are doing.
Morals have different degrees for different people. Debating them seems pointless and redundant... Maybe people who pirate are amoral? In that sense, you cannot say that it is wrong. Just because it is wrong to one person because they admit to passing judgment or making a moral distinction, does not mean that it is WRONG. I will admit that not everything is relative, but morals and ethics are very much so. So piracy is very much a gray area in the manner it is being discussed here... with regard to morals.
No one ever commits a crime planning on getting caught...but people commonly do get caught.
Morally right or not...it is legally wrong.:pQuote:
Originally posted by mansionman
Morals have different degrees for different people. Debating them seems pointless and redundant... Maybe people who pirate are amoral?
"Hay guys, there's gotta be, like, hundreds of thousands of drug producers/dealers so that makes it okay to do, right? Underage drinking and date rape, too."Quote:
Originally posted by Freddy_Kruger
You all should check out suprnova forums, there are more posts in one day then 6 months here so I know I cant be alone in this.
I refuse to believe that anyone can believe it is morally right to pirate software. Think about this: assume you have infinte money, would you still pirate software based on principle?
It has been stated before, legality and morals do not go in the same catagory. I think some people make the same catagory mistake that a lot of people in politics make... Confusing moral issues with public ones. Moral decisions are very much left up to the indvidual to decide.Quote:
Originally posted by Matt_E
Morally right or not...it is legally wrong.:p
True, personally I think pirating software is stealing someone's work, and that is wrong.
HAHAHA! Funny, Been there, Got the T-Shirt and moved on... It wasnt fun, but it wasnt that bad...Quote:
Originally posted by Freddy_Kruger
They are trying to make it illegal in canada, but so far the judge says its like going to the library.
Colosus, people like you are so p*ssy whipped with the threat of going to jail in america you really are clueless. There are degrees of seriousness to crimes. piracy is not theft, well not a serious theft anyway. I would say its a lot closer to video taping television shows to robbing a bank. But anal retentive preachers think differant. pfft.. if i found a bag of money i wouldnt hand it in either what a crook i am. You all should check out suprnova forums, there are more posts in one day then 6 months here so I know I cant be alone in this.
People like you who pirate everything they see are what sucks in the world. You are too p*ssy to actually pay for something. Ignorance is bliss, but stupidity last a lifetime!
1st off, I didn't say jack about a car...Quote:
Originally posted by Un4given
Bad example if you are trying to make a point. He paid for the processor, he didn't take it from some one. Overclocking isn't illegal, but if he fried the processor because of overclocking and tried to RMA it because he damaged it, that is stealing.
Under your example, anyone who buys a car with a 4-cylinder engine and soups it up to make more horsepower is stealing because the company offered a V6 that already output more power.
If you're going to make an example, at least make sure it is applicable.
That is your interpretation. I expected people to make such a lame excuse, I just didn't expect it to be you.
If you buy an AMD 2500+ and overclock it to 3200+ speeds you have just circumented the retail channel for a 3200+ part and therefore you have ripped off AMD for the difference between the cost of the 2 processors. It's all about something for nothing...
Overclocking ain't screwing anybody but copying your DVD is?-yeah right.
Just because overclocking is "popular" out in the open here, doesn't give the practice any higher moral ground.
There is a big difference. For one its likely any programmer working on the project is getting a fixed salery reguardless of how many copies are sold. Secondly piracy HELPS sales on occasion. If you put out a good product and your not screwing potential customers.Quote:
Originally posted by Un4given
Wait until the first time a shady employer screws him out of some hours or on OT at a job. It's not a physical good, but a service, more liken to how many justify pirating. Then let's see how they feel about whether it was right or wrong.
I don't know about you but I want to know if something I'm about to buy is worth it. Is test driving a car before you buy it immoral? If I don't buy it I don't use it. You can not claim sales or money lost that you never had. I just can not tell my boss "I could have worked OT, you should pay me for it."
Eric
ACTUALLY, OVerclocking does screw over someone.. When the damn processor fails and the loser sends it in for warranty work.. Now that is morally wrong.Quote:
Originally posted by gurutoo
1st off, I didn't say jack about a car...
That is your interpretation. I expected people to make such a lame excuse, I just didn't expect it to be you.
If you buy an AMD 2500+ and overclock it to 3200+ speeds you have just circumented the retail channel for a 3200+ part and therefore you have ripped off AMD for the difference between the cost of the 2 processors. It's all about something for nothing...
Overclocking ain't screwing anybody but copying your DVD is?-yeah right.
Just because overclocking is "popular" out in the open here, doesn't give the practice any higher moral ground.
You overclocked it, you voided the warranty now live with the dead processor and buy a new one. :D
But there are tons of people who do that too....
The hell it ain't...that's what all you people who want to judge others have made it.Quote:
Originally posted by mynameis
Either way it is still illegal. You act like they aren't out anything but they are, they are out money. If you could magically stop all piracy instantly, you would see an increase in the number of software/music/movie titles sold.
This isn't a value/morals question.