Was Mike Williams in the top 10? I thought he was 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi
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nevermind, just fact checked, he was in fact #10.
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Was Mike Williams in the top 10? I thought he was 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi
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nevermind, just fact checked, he was in fact #10.
Yea, charles rogers was #2, roy williams was #7 (i think), and mike williams was #10.Quote:
Originally Posted by monroeski
Detroit is where Arizona was 2-4 years AGO. Arizona right now is atleast a .500 team (havent looked at their schedule yet). For all you Detroit fans, just prepare for the worst. Thats all I can say. Don't expect to be better this year than last. No players, no chemistry. All you have is a coach. Detroit is back to square one: Get players. Their draft wasnt impressive. In 2-4 years, you will be where Arizona is NOW.
Texans had a crappy draft too. Their defense wasnt bad before Mario Williams. Their O-line was pathetic. I still say Reggie Bush would have guranteed them an extra 2-3 wins during the season.
Eagles...pppssssshhhh. They are going downhill slowly. They are turning into the Raiders. Getting old.
Seattle is questionable. Losing Hutchinson didnt help and the pro-bowl FB is now 54 years old. Sean Alexander will get is 1000 though.
Pitt is pretty damn good. I wouldnt be shocked if they won it again. They will go far.
The new up and coming teams to watch are: San Diego, Arizona, New Orleans (they finally got a good QB oh and that RB whats his face :P ), Giants and Buffalo. Thats my story and I am sticking to it. One of these teams will be the "Cinderella" story this year.
Dont get me started on College football.
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Originally Posted by proxemo666
eh, I don't know...I think there is a nation-wide tendency among NFL watchers to overrate Hutch's value to the Seattle offense. He is likely the best guard in the game, but he is stll just a guard. Walter Jones is much MUCH more important to our success.
Mack Strong is pretty old, was last year too. We don't rely on him to put up yards or anything, he is about leadership and great blocking.
Actually the thing that excites me the most about Seattle is the LB corps. I thought we had many sacks last year--now we got Julian Peterson!!?? Look out.
Been A Steelers (us purists say Stillers) fan since my birth in 1951 in Western PA. BTW, it was hard being a Steelers fan in the late 50's early to mid 60's. We started like a house of fire but never finished strong. The Browns would always kill us.
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Originally Posted by r'aggro
IMO, o-line is vital to an offense success more so than a strong RB or QB. Losing a damn good guard WILL HURT them. It is just a matter of changing the running schemes. Having gramps back there will make the adjustment easier because he was only used as a blocking FB. With him in the game (I formations/Goaline packages, we probably won't notice hutchinson gone. In single back spread formations, we will notice how much of an impact Hutchinson had.
I went to WSU and ever since Trufant played for Seattle, I've been watching them. It seems that since him their defense had been excellent. Their defense was never an issue. It was their butterfinger young receiving core.
I always wondered why Dallas was in the NFC East and Atlanta was in the NFC South...go figure.
No one can say anything for sure yet, but there is no way Arizona is 2-4 years ahead of Detroit. Im sorry, but no way. For one thing that is giving Arizona way too much credit. For another the Lions will probably be a bit better than last year (just my opinion, but I would be shocked if many people follow the Lions here like I do, I mean why would anyone? :p) which puts them ahead of, or on par, with Arizona. To be compared with Arizona is no compliment, and vice versa with Detroit ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by proxemo666
Detroit didnt really change anything this year that would dramatically help them player-wise. So I dont see them doing any better this year than last year, maybe 1 more win or so at the most.
And I was just wondering, who ended up with Trevor Pryce? That is a huge blow to the Broncos D losing him.
btw before anyone starts with college football in this thread, this is the NFL one so make a new thread :p I know nothing about college football.
A new coach can make a massive difference in the NFL. I think confidence in the previous coach, as well as QB, was low for a while. The new attitude introduced by the staff by itself COULD have a huge impact. I'm not saying it WILL, necessarily, but the potential is there. They've been getting great draft position for a while now (though they've obviously put a little too much stock in the WR position), and a new staff could be just what the players need. Look at Denver's defensive line; they basically lifted the whole thing from Cleveland, where they were always underperforming and injured. Suddenly, in Denver, they're arguably a poor QB's performance away from the Super Bowl.Quote:
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Originally Posted by spamjedi
Detroit did not improve player wise during the offseason. What I mean by 2-4 years is that it will take detroit that amount of time to get the players needed to solidify a core or team identity. Both Detroit and Arizona had no identity before this year. With Edgerin James, Matt Leinart and a couple of young players coming through the system, Arizona can be seen as a threat (low-level threat albeit, but not a walk over).
Detroit on the other hand has no identity. No QB, RB can't figure out what direction the team is going in, etc. I am not saying talent wise they suck, but with no direction, you can't win. They just don't have the players. They have one of the better wide receiver lineups in the league but no one to throw them the ball. I just don't see Detroit winning more than 1 game more than they did last year especially after looking at what they DIDNT do during the offseason. It is a safe assumption. If one team didn't change much from last season, chances are they will end up with a similar record.
Who knows, they could suprise the heck out of us. Detroit Tigers did. There might be something in the water :)
Man I just looked up some San Diego tickets. Good lord they are expensive. Half way decent seats were like $340. Are they that price every where else? Granted they were playing the steelers.
strange, 1st level seats near the endzone about 13th row (awesome seats IMO) are only about $80 a seat no matter who we are playing in Denver in the regular season. The middle ones are probably about $150 at the most but I could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by proxemo666
Then again Denver and San Diego have COMPLETELY different fan-bases
Lets wait until he completes a pass or two before we attach some significance to Leinart's name. He hasn't done anything yet.
For that matter, I'm looking forward to watching Edge run behind AZ's line. ;)
I see the point youre trying to make, but you're saying Arizona has an indentity now because of Leinart and James? James definately brings something to the table, but that O-line brings up some serious questions about the kind of year he's going to have. Leinart is insignificant this year. He could, and should, be a factor for the future but not this year, and he doesn't contribute to an identity for the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by proxemo666
I know you don't know the Lion's roster like I do. Like I said before, why would anyone want to? :p But there have been some big changes to the roster, no big free agent signings like Edge, but this is a team with an indentity, as you put it. Now trust me, the Lions break my heart every year, so whos to say this is any different. I just think you are giving Arizona way to much credit. But thats proabably because you're a fan. I do the same thing for Detroit.
And yes there is something in the water here. Though it is certainly not something you would want to ingest to boost athletic performance ;)
you mean, in front of? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
Spammy, I read at the kffl forums that Charles Rodgers may be on his way out of Detroit soon. Heard anything about this?
Yep. He has not impressed the new staff at all in camp after the first few days. He won't be playing tonight in the 2nd preseason game because of a sore knee, and the third game the starters will be playing for probably 3 quarters. So his last couple shots are limited time in game 3 and whatever in game 4. Doesn't sound like he has a good shot. Two coaching staffs in a row are down on him, sounds like he is the problem. Just love seeing that in a number 2 overall pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
Plus with Casey Fitzsimmons being injured they are thinking of carying an extra TE which means they cant carry 7 receivers so it will probably be 6. So it is a long shot for him to make the team at this point.
You can only wonder what would have happened if he hadn't been injured so much. That kind of thing can really grate on you psychologically.
True. If you look at the few games he played his rookie year... wow. In his first NFL game he caught 2 TDs as his first two receptions. Haven't really seen that spark since then. Oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by monroeski
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Originally Posted by spamjedi
I don't know how you can say the cards don't have an identity. They led the league in passing last season, with 2 great young receivers fitz and boldin, they both had 1400 yards. Now add to that one of the rb's in the league and you have a solid offense. Even if the o-line isn't the best, you still have the threat of edge. Then you have a highly anticipated rookie QB added to the team. They have something going.
Maybe some people give the cards too much credit, but you cannot say the lions have an identity. They have 3 first round WR's, and marcus pollard who is a great tight end, yet there is still no passing game. They still didn't find themselves a great qb and have no running game. The team is a mess they have nothing going for them, maybe kitna can do something but the situation does not look good as usual. I think you're a bit blinded by the loyalty to your team, it happens to everyone.
No i'm not a cardinals fan.
Its not so much the players but the playbook. Teams like Indy/St louis have a passing identity. Pitt/ATL/KC rushing. Bears are Defense. You also have teams that are balanced. My teams are SD and Indy. SD is balanced (slightly favoring the run) and Indy is pass heavy. Last year Arizona created their identity: Passing (with Anquan and Larry). Before that, I couldnt tell you what it was. This year with Edge, they are dipping their foot with the run game. Of course they can still go pass heavy w/ Edge when it is all said and done, but atleast you know the direction the team is going in.
Detroit on the other hand...I couldnt tell you what direction they are going in. They do have good receivers but no one to give them the ball. Their draft/offseason pick ups also made it hard to tell because it did not lie down a path.
The identity I am talking about is not who has the better players but what aspect of the team will they succeed or look to excel in. Houston looked to excel in defense with Mario Williams. It doesnt mean Mario Williams is the best player or worst player. It just means Houston looks like they want to beaf up their defense. Of course having a primetime player (Edge & Arizona) makes it rediculously obvious the direction the team is headed. I just dont see that with Detroit. I believe the Williams's (Dont they have like 2 or 3) are damn good receivers. If they picked up a young or good QB, it would seem they are trying to establish the pass. It seemed that way when they picked 2 or 3 receivers in a row with their 1st round draft pick. (that still doesnt make sense to me).
Interesting stat I heard the other day, that almost seemed totally unbelievable - apparently, something like 45% of Indy's plays last year were run plays. It seemed so strange to hear that, what with all the talk about them just being pass-pass-pass. Even having watched a good number of their games, it seems strange to me.Quote:
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Originally Posted by r'aggro
mcnabb was injured in week one, and only played like half the season (7 games if i remember correctly.) even being hurt and playing poor by his standards, he had a rating of 85, and over the last 5 years has been the best qb in the NFC. the eagles O-line looks great this year, good blend of young and vet players. Mcnabb should have a very good year this year, i predict 30 TDs with very few ints.
Mcnabb always hurt? He has missed a little time here and there, fractured leg one time (threw 4 TD's in that game AFTER the injury), and last years injury. Not all that bad for a 7 year vet. He also shrugs off hits instead of going right down, which may have contributed to last years injury. I hate to tell you, but sometimes when the big football players tackle the other big football players, guys get hurt once in a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakespy
I've seen a lot of posting about Detroit. Sad but true, Detroit lets good people go. We Steelers have raided them as have other teams. Lions need to keep people.