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Originally Posted by Mindwarper

I doubt he will be traded and Parcells doesn't need em happy. Who cares if he feels alienated?

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Well, as in any workplace... a happy employee is typically a productive employee. A disgruntled one typically isn't. This is common sense. Taylor is nearing the end of his career... he could just plain retire rather than deal with the BS.

While I respect Parcells ability to turn a team around, his method of picking out one aging superstar who had a very good year and pissing him off makes no sense to me. Long term or short term.

You hold people accountable who had bad seasons (and the 'Phins are full of them). Not the ones who actually produced. This too is common sense.

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Taylor has little trade value and can help the team this season.

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Rumour is that the 'Phins tried to trade him but were asking too much. Reportedly a 1st round pick.

Jared Allen was traded from KC to Minnesota this offseason. For a 1st round pick, two 3rd round picks, and the two teams swapping their 6th round pick.

Taylor is 33 years old, and Allen is much younger with potentially a great career ahead of him (if he can stay out of legal trouble). I think that the 'Phins were stupid for asking so much. He has even less trade value now with all this drama going on...

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Originally Posted by Boneycat

Heck, ship him to the Raiders!!! That's where all unhappy players end up...only to find out what a real "unhappiness" really means ;)

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Geez... Between him and Burgess, what a sack combo! If Taylor doesn't get "old" overnight. I guess one of them would have to play the strongside too... and deal with a TE helping the OT out.

I still think they won't be friends but Taylor will be playing in Miami this sept. He is not the 1st disgruntled nfl player, mad at the front office, coach, his role, the teams draft, etc. The only time you hear about the unhappiness of a player is during the slow months when the talking heads have little to say. I do think they should have traded him for less then a 1st round pick. But they might want him for his talent for one year instead. He might whine and *****, he might hint at retiring. But my guess is that Taylor is a pro and wants to go out in a year. He thinks the Fins are to far away from the supeerbowl during his playing window and wants out and a chance at a ring. Nothing wrong with wanting a ring, but he is in a contract. He will probably honor it.

Anyone else thinks Roy Williams should put on about 25-30 pounds and play linebacker?

Cowboys are starting to get a surplus of DB's, ones that can actually cover.

Williams would be a monster OLB.

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Originally Posted by rabidmoose171

Anyone else thinks Roy Williams should put on about 25-30 pounds and play linebacker?

Cowboys are starting to get a surplus of DB's, ones that can actually cover.

Williams would be a monster OLB.

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I have often wondered that.

How the transition for a big safety would be going to the WILL spot. A guy like Williams may only have to put on 10lbs to play that spot.

Big enough to play linebacker (most of the time without a TE on him) and fast enough to cover TEs and RBs out of the backfield.

Back in the day... I wondered if the 'Phins had ever thought of doing this with Louis Oliver (who could run a 4.35 40 coming out of college). The 'Boys with Darren Woodson (the 'Boys did have a smaller WILL in Darren Smith) and the Steelers with Carnell Lake.

There are some smaller WILL backers in the NFL who excel in coverage.

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Originally Posted by rabidmoose171

Anyone else thinks Roy Williams should put on about 25-30 pounds and play linebacker?

Cowboys are starting to get a surplus of DB's, ones that can actually cover.

Williams would be a monster OLB.

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Basically everyone I know thinks that.

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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard

I have often wondered that.

How the transition for a big safety would be going to the WILL spot. A guy like Williams may only have to put on 10lbs to play that spot.

Big enough to play linebacker (most of the time without a TE on him) and fast enough to cover TEs and RBs out of the backfield.

Back in the day... I wondered if the 'Phins had ever thought of doing this with Louis Oliver (who could run a 4.35 40 coming out of college). The 'Boys with Darren Woodson (the 'Boys did have a smaller WILL in Darren Smith) and the Steelers with Carnell Lake.

There are some smaller WILL backers in the NFL who excel in coverage.

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Just being a smaller linebacker wouldn't automatically make him a good cover guy. He just lacks the skills to do it imo no matter the position.

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Originally Posted by monroeski

Just being a smaller linebacker wouldn't automatically make him a good cover guy. He just lacks the skills to do it imo no matter the position.

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Covering as a safety and covering as a weakside backer are a world of difference. And in general, I'd say that covering as a weakside backer is easier.

My guess is that Williams would make an excellent weakside "cover" backer. I'm not so sure how he'd deal with pulling guards.

Does anybody understand what the hell GB is thinking with Favre?!?

The guy had a great season last season proving that he can in fact still play the game.

Why are they trying to force him now to be a backup?!?

I think since they've been prepping aaron rodgers since the season ended, you can't just all of a sudeen go back to favre. They have to move on sometime, they ball is already rolling.

I dont know what the hell Favre is even thinking. Why would he want to return? Hes set just about every QB record there is, has a SB ring, and will be a guaranteed first ballot hall of famer. Quicker he retires, the quicker that ballot will come.

I cant see why hed want to return and sign with another team. What would he do? Play 1 or 2 seasons and be mediocre at best? As a lifelong Favre fan, I dont want to see his career end like that. He did well this past season, broke the last few records he hadnt already, what more does the guy want? Everyone in Wisconsin wants him to stay retired, and we especially dont want him to return for 1 more year and wear another jersey.

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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard

Does anybody understand what the hell GB is thinking with Favre?!?

The guy had a great season last season proving that he can in fact still play the game.

Why are they trying to force him now to be a backup?!?

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Let's follow the timeline so far. Not every part of it has gotten the attention it deserves.

1. Every year, they don't know for MONTHS if he'll be back or not.
2. Right after last season is over, he retires.
3. In March, apparently he told them he wanted to come back, and they said OK, welcome back.
4. Soon afterwards, he changes his mind and tells them he wants to retire again.
5. Soon afterwards, he changes his mind and wants to play again. Mentions becoming a coach, if not a player.
6. GB is sick of his wishy-washy ******** every year and this time tells him they've moved on.
7. Brett wants GB to go against every common sense business notion on earth and give him an unconditional release.
8. GB basically says "you're out of your damn mind if you think we're releasing you unconditionally" and offers to take him on as a backup.

I fully support GB on this one, they can't keep putting up with this year after year. If I were a betting man, I bet they are assuming he would never come back as a backup and they're only offering that to get him to retire once and for all.

I think that the bottom line is "Would having Favre as our starting QB make us a better team?".

I have a hard time thinking that Rogers would be a better QB this season that Favre. In fact, Rogers could probably benefit from at least one more season as a backup.

Regardless of Favre's BS... he makes GB better by starting. If the latest data is *any* indicator (re: last season)... then GB is making themselves a weaker team by making him a backup I think.

I do agree we'd be better off with favre starting but to me it feels like the person you meet and think they're pretty cool so you hang out with them a bunch of times...but then you start hanging out with other people however he keeps following you around...eventually you just want him to go away...

as a packer's fan when he announced retirement I accepted it and mentally moved on to the thought of rogers being our qb...almost looking forward to it...but now with favre wanting to come back it almost feels like the scenario above

I doubt that the fans will like ST. Farve on the bench or in purple. I like seeing him on the field. He was good last year and made it to the nfc championship game. Why not give it another try? The team that is only a QB away might be the purple people eaters. But that would be a lot for the fans to stomach.

Would Favre really sign with the Vikings?? What a travesty. The longer this goes on, the sadder it will get.

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Originally Posted by r'aggro

Would Favre really sign with the Vikings?? What a travesty. The longer this goes on, the sadder it will get.

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No becuase theres no way GB will release him. Favre will either take a backup role to Rodgers or he'll stay retired.