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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
But he made the correct call...they won more games when he went to Clemons.
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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
But he made the correct call...they won more games when he went to Clemons.
Do you just make stuff up in your head and then argue about it? Where did I say they went to Clemens? I said exactly what everyone else said -- they were fighting for the starting job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
No, my opinion is that Pennington isn't very good, which is what I stated. You're the one trying to turn this into a "who would you start if you were the coach" discussion, which I couldn't care less about.Quote:
I was starting to think that you actually had an opinion on it! How'd I have got that crazy idea?
Wow, good thing you're not an NFL coach. Or rather, obviously you're not an NFL coach. Making a decision based solely on QB stats? What about subjective factors, like leadership ability or healthiness? You ever think of using something more than grade 2 math?Quote:
Mangini saw them everyday. He had on opinion himself. Based off the ending stats, I don't trust his decision... his expertise in "who" the starting QB should be. I have my own opinion... based off the QBs stats.
As shown, the Jets couldn't win with Pennington. They COULD win with Clemens, regardless of his stats. So why would the coach start a guy who can't win games for the team? Just so that people like Spank_Me_Hard can argue on the Internet?
I figured that was the way that you'd probably interpret it.Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
I interpret it differently of course.
Again won BECAUSE of Clemens, or IN SPITE of?Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
An arguement can be made either way... but none definitively.
Thus alluding to that Pennington wasn't good enough to keep his job from one of the worst QBs in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
That was an add on question to the debate which I asked just recently.Quote:
No, my opinion is that Pennington isn't very good, which is what I stated. You're the one trying to turn this into a "who would you start if you were the coach" discussion, which I couldn't care less about.
I wanted to see who you guys would start. Oddly enough, nobody would give a straight up answer. Which I found very telling...
You needed this thread to figure that out? LOLOLOLOL!Quote:
Wow, good thing you're not an NFL coach. Or rather, obviously you're not an NFL coach. Making a decision based solely on QB stats? What about subjective factors, like leadership ability or healthiness? You ever think of using something more than grade 2 math?
I wouldn't make the arguement based off stats and stats alone. But in the same token... nor would I based off wins alone. Perhaps you don't understand the concept of a TEAM game. No one player... even a QB... can win or lose a game all on their own. It's like judging an NHL goalie based off their "wins"... it's retarded.
Here's my theory...Quote:
As shown, the Jets couldn't win with Pennington. They COULD win with Clemens, regardless of his stats. So why would the coach start a guy who can't win games for the team? Just so that people like Spank_Me_Hard can argue on the Internet?
Just so guys like Digital can still cling to their ego... still on the ship despite it being at the bottom of the ocean.
Pennington was better in almost every meaningful way possible than Clemens... and the Jets still lost games despite it. The Jets start Clemens and win marginally more games despite him being one of the worst QBs of the league. Pennington won ten games the year previous. Did the Jets and Pennington's arm BOTH degrade that much over the course of one year?
Rhetorical question Digital. You cantanswer anyways with your ego sitting on your ship at the bottom of the ocean... LOL!
BTW. If I make decisions based soley off of stats... what does this mean:
I won the unofficial Sharkies NFL pool last year. You didn't. What does that say about your NFL analytical skills compared to mine?
If you compare that to a QBs "wins vs. losses", I am 1-0 and you are 0-1. Based off our most current data, who's analytical skills seem better thus far?
Rhetorical question Digital... LOL!
Again won BECAUSE of Clemens, or IN SPITE of?Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
An arguement can be made either way... but none definitively.
Oh they definitely won more games with Clemons. That is definitive. My argument has facts to support it...wins and losses are hard numbers, therefore fact. Your "in spite of" argument is merely you opinion, and opinion is not fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
No doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
But that's not what I was referencing. I was specifically referencing "because" or "in spite of"... Which isn't conclusive. Definitively.
You've spent 20 posts trying to sidestep the fact that Pennington's arm is garbage and he got released from the Jets instead of Clemens, so the people who know him better than you have already decided what he's worth.
They didn't even bother trying to trade him... "LOL".
Nadda.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDigital
I've stated many times that Pennington's arm isn't strong.
Maybe reading comprehension isn't big in the Ontario public school system... I don't know. I suspect that you don't know either.
And I also suspect that Pennington's salary had something to do with his release as well. But I suspect that you are unable to factor that into the equation as well. I see a common denominator in your thought process... LOL!
And yet reportedly there were six teams who were interested in him... of whom the 'Phins (whom have a President whom is very familiar with Pennington) made the offer that Pennington decided to take. Imagine that!Quote:
They didn't even bother trying to trade him... "LOL".
I've stated before (I'd draw a picture for you to ease your understanding... but I can't) I have no illusions about the guy being great... but he's definitely an upgrade. Weak arm and all. I'm sure that the 'Phins improvement of their previous 1-15 season will be all the "proof" that you'll need to agree (though by no means "admit"... LOL!).
Also interestingly:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/traini...ory?id=3530356
I wonder exactly what he meant?Quote:
McNabb, in his interview with Mosley, said his knee and ankle injuries which limited his play the past two seasons may have been a blessing in disguise.
"[Last year] was a grind, but the injury actually helped acclimate me to being the type of quarterback that I've wanted to be. It's helped me in certain areas."
:)
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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
I read Morningwigs(?) comments on what he meant on the Eagles site. He said Mcnabb did an excellent job of going to his 4th and even 5th reads last year, which is very hard for any QB to do. Also, I believe he commented on how even without a knee, ankle or even an arm Mcnabb could throw a ball much further and harder than someone like, say, Pennington.
Those reports probably came from Penningtons agent. They always exaggerate interest to keep the teams that may really be interested from seeing how easy it would be to acquire the player. and i am sure a few teams had interest in him as a backup, as I said earlier he would probably be pretty good as a backup.Quote:
And yet reportedly there were six teams who were interested in him... of whom the 'Phins (whom have a President whom is very familiar with Pennington) made the offer that Pennington decided to take. Imagine that!
But the wins themselves are conclusive, definitive and absolute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
yeah a 4-12 season would prove us all wrong.Quote:
I've stated before (I'd draw a picture for you to ease your understanding... but I can't) I have no illusions about the guy being great... but he's definitely an upgrade. Weak arm and all. I'm sure that the 'Phins improvement of their previous 1-15 season will be all the "proof" that you'll need to agree (though by no means "admit"... LOL!).
As a 49ers fan, I can only watch with envy as other team's fans discuss QB 'problems'.
:( :p
Not for determining the quality of a QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by md1198p
Are you willing to state definitively that Trent Dilfer was the best QB of the 2001 season when th Ravens won the SB?
Go ahead...
The Ravens won in SPITE of Dilfer... not BECUASE of him.
Same thing with the Jets and Clemens (even though one still couldn't call the Jets a "winning" team).