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10-17-2006, 08:57 PM
joeshmofro

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Originally Posted by Mindwarper

I saw Danny Greens press conferense when he got all mad. But why shouldn't he be mad at the offensive play calls in the last minutes of the game. Why was he even throwing it on 1st down with around 3 minutes left? It should have been a run play. The card shot themselves in the foot. They could have easily won, but choose lame plays. So they deserve to lose.

Did you see any of their run plays?....I mean were we watching the same game? If anything they needed to keep throwing it. Toward the end thats what was working for them.
10-17-2006, 09:04 PM
hongsc

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Originally Posted by Mindwarper

I saw Danny Greens press conferense when he got all mad. But why shouldn't he be mad at the offensive play calls in the last minutes of the game. Why was he even throwing it on 1st down with around 3 minutes left? It should have been a run play. The card shot themselves in the foot. They could have easily won, but choose lame plays. So they deserve to lose.

The Cards weren't doing much with the run game and James fumbled, which resulted in a touchdown and Leinart was playing really well. No one questioned the Cards lost the game but the game was incredible to watch especially the punt return for a touchdown.
10-17-2006, 10:26 PM
rabidmoose171

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Originally Posted by r'aggro

At least Leinart is plainly the qb of the future, so that looks good for them. I really wish the Cards would get better, it's more fun to hate a division foe when they are capable of beating you. That's why I spent so many years hating the Raiders and Broncos.

That confused me for a second... Then i remembered the stupid nfl league rearrangment, and how seattle got moved CONFERENCES.
10-18-2006, 12:22 AM
monroeski

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Originally Posted by hongsc

The Cards have James, who's a pretty good running back but he didn't play like it on MNF.

A good running back is nothing without a line. RB may be the position on a team that is most dependent on other players imo.
10-18-2006, 12:32 AM
hongsc

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Originally Posted by monroeski

A good running back is nothing without a line. RB may be the position on a team that is most dependent on other players imo.

I watched Barry Sanders do it and I don't remember Detroit having a good offensive line.
10-18-2006, 12:51 AM
PriMaTe

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Originally Posted by hongsc

I thought the definition of choke was an impact player or playmaker usually in a big game, who doesn't come to play or put forth any effort, and gives up before the game is over. Grossman's, a young quarterback, who made bad decisions and like I said he made some good throws that were dropped. I would call it a bad game hopefully he learns from. I thought TO choked against Philly, when he talked so much trash and then played horrible with little effort if any.

How was that game not the definition of choking? When your offense is putting up 25 pts a game like it's nothing and then you have zero offensive td's, 170 yrds of total offense, and 6 turnovers against one of the worst teams in the league, that is choking.

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Originally Posted by hongsc

I watched Barry Sanders do it and I don't remember Detroit having a good offensive line.

did you watch the game? The line created no holes for edge, and most of the time the defense was in the backfield by the time he got the ball. They ran the ball 38 times for 66 yards. I don't care who you put in the backfield for that game, no one could get a decent running game going the way that line played.
10-18-2006, 01:12 AM
hongsc

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Originally Posted by PriMaTe

How was that game not the definition of choking? When your offense is putting up 25 pts a game like it's nothing and then you have zero offensive td's, 170 yrds of total offense, and 6 turnovers against one of the worst teams in the league, that is choking.

The Cards put up 23 not 25 and the only one that choked was the Cards. He wasn't pressured by the Cards, which I feel is a component of choking. He just didn't play well period and people forget that he is a young quarterback, who will make his share of mistakes and have some bad game(s). I think he's good quarterback not great but others might disagree. One game, he doesn't live up to the expectations because he could have tarnished their undefeated record and everyone is calling him a choker. It's one game during the regular season and not a Playoff game where's one and you're out. Now if he had a game like that in the Playoffs then yes he choked.

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did you watch the game? The line created no holes for edge, and most of the time the defense was in the backfield by the time he got the ball. They ran the ball 38 times for 66 yards. I don't care who you put in the backfield for that game, no one could get a decent running game going the way that line played.

I didn't mention that specific game as the example but Barry Sanders did a pretty job with what the Lions offensive line was. It was a lot of Barry but not all.
10-18-2006, 11:00 AM
r'aggro

It's not really fair to compare other rb's to Barry Sanders. :D

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Originally Posted by rabidmoose171

That confused me for a second... Then i remembered the stupid nfl league rearrangment, and how seattle got moved CONFERENCES.

Yeah, AFC-w to NFC-w. I wasn't a fan of the move at the time. The Hawks were up and coming then, maybe the league thought it would balance the nfc-w better. The AFC-West is always tough and didn't really miss Seattle.

Now move the Rams back to LA, dammit. Division games shouldn't be a two time zone shift.
10-18-2006, 01:03 PM
rabidmoose171

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Originally Posted by r'aggro

It's not really fair to compare other rb's to Barry Sanders. :D

Yeah, AFC-w to NFC-w. I wasn't a fan of the move at the time. The Hawks were up and coming then, maybe the league thought it would balance the nfc-w better. The AFC-West is always tough and didn't really miss Seattle.

Now move the Rams back to LA, dammit. Division games shouldn't be a two time zone shift.

I remember when the Cardinals were in the NFC east... 4 hour shift at times. heh.
10-18-2006, 01:26 PM
proxemo666

How dare anyone compare any RB to Barry Sanders. That guy was/is the most humble NFL player ever. Unlike Shaun Alexander, he REFUSED to be put in when given the chance to break a single season rushing record. When asked at the press conf, he said he was here for the team, not himself.

Anyway, are there any Raven fans in here? Looks like you guys are getting a new off. coordinator. You guys mind posting who they are looking at for the job?
10-18-2006, 01:33 PM
monroeski

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Originally Posted by proxemo666

How dare anyone compare any RB to Barry Sanders. That guy was/is the most humble NFL player ever. Unlike Shaun Alexander, he REFUSED to be put in when given the chance to break a single season rushing record. When asked at the press conf, he said he was here for the team, not himself.

Anyway, are there any Raven fans in here? Looks like you guys are getting a new off. coordinator. You guys mind posting who they are looking at for the job?

I'm a Ravens fan, but not a huge fan, so I can't really answer your question right now. I would assume Billick is going to do it for the foreseeable future, I wouldn't be surprised if he just stayed the O coordinator after the season. They did win the Super Bowl with him as the coordinator (though everyone knows the D is what won that).
10-18-2006, 06:53 PM
Mindwarper

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Originally Posted by joeshmofro

Did you see any of their run plays?....I mean were we watching the same game? If anything they needed to keep throwing it. Toward the end thats what was working for them.

Yes I did see the low yardage run plays. But I also saw that the bears couldn't move the ball. If they had run the ball and even gone 3 and out, it would have left the bears with no time outs or very little time. Well the offensive coordinator is now gone. I would have run it and made them call time outs. The bears offense generated 3 points. But at least the card know they have a qb for the future.
10-18-2006, 07:09 PM
hongsc

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Originally Posted by proxemo666

How dare anyone compare any RB to Barry Sanders. That guy was/is the most humble NFL player ever. Unlike Shaun Alexander, he REFUSED to be put in when given the chance to break a single season rushing record. When asked at the press conf, he said he was here for the team, not himself.

People seem screwy in this thread. I'm not comparing anyone to Sanders when Monroeski said that a RB needs a good offensive line I gave an example that didn't.
10-18-2006, 09:07 PM
monroeski

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Originally Posted by hongsc

People seem screwy in this thread. I'm not comparing anyone to Sanders when Monroeski said that a RB needs a good offensive line I gave an example that didn't.

Using an example of the (arguably) best running back in the history of football not needing a great offensive line doesn't really convince me that running backs as a whole rely on other players more than other positions do. I think that's what they were getting at when they said you can't really compare other RBs to Barry Sanders. It would be like responding to "man, it's hard to get a business loan these days" with "No way, Bill Gates doesn't have any problem getting those."
10-18-2006, 09:21 PM
proxemo666

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Originally Posted by monroeski

Using an example of the (arguably) best running back in the history of football not needing a great offensive line doesn't really convince me that running backs as a whole rely on other players more than other positions do. I think that's what they were getting at when they said you can't really compare other RBs to Barry Sanders. It would be like responding to "man, it's hard to get a business loan these days" with "No way, Bill Gates doesn't have any problem getting those."

Could not have put it better myself. Barry was just a bad example. If you said Emmit Smith, we would see eye to eye.

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