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I got the card , instaled Catalyst drivers , first impresion is awesome and very stable in games, excelent FPS , better 3Dmark , much better game fluidity also picture quality better than GF3 , ..more things tomorrow , now i go to sleep .
I think that i will keep the card and is worthit the exchange .
You have to understand something about Mr. Overclocker, he is all about Max FPS and 3DMarks 2xxxx scores. He doesn't know anything about consistent FPS or smooth game play. He purchases his hardware to find out how fast his machine scores in 3D Marks and how good his Peak FPS can be in Serious Sam and Quake 3. You and I are all about visual quality and game play. Like I pointed out in my previous post, which Mr. Overclocker ignored, I rather have consistent FPS of around 50-60 and smooth game play with jaw dropping visuals than have a Peak FPS of 130 and dropping down to 30 every three seconds with not as good visuals. I buy my hardware to game not to brag. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by AMD_Man
What I don't understand is if the R8500 is so close to the Ti4200 (some might say it matches it), then how can it be slower than a GF3? A bit slower than a Ti4200, I can understand, but a GeForce3? That's a bit ludicrous, don't you think? :rolleyes:
Jim
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Originally posted by TimisoaraKill
I got the card , instaled Catalyst drivers , first impresion is awesome and very stable in games, excelent FPS , better 3Dmark , much better game fluidity also picture quality better than GF3 , ..more things tomorrow , now i go to sleep .
I think that i will keep the card and is worthit the exchange .
Glad to read that you made your decision. Hope you enjoy your card.
Jim
get the 8500 i have had no driver problems with it. if it wasnt for the fact that i had to go to the ati website to dl my drivers i would think i still had an nvidia card in my system. ive had plenty of nvidia cards in the past and they were all great, but in all honesty a gf3 is nowhere near as fast as an 8500 yes the gf3 is a fast card, but if you want more performance for free then get the 8500
lol buddy its not you, pointless was pointing out how newbie-overclocker spammed 6 posts instead of putting everything into one big post. I was agreeing with him :DQuote:
Originally posted by AMD_Man
:D I'm sorry if I over reacted but I haven't insulted anyone so I don't see why exactly this is spam?
So do I :pQuote:
I buy my hardware to game not to brag.
Yes that point is semi-true, today. For the past 8 months however (before the ti4200), the gf3 has been a better performer. And if you'd actually look at some benchmarks, the radeon 8500 only wins in a couple.Quote:
but in all honesty a gf3 is nowhere near as fast as an 8500 yes the gf3 is a fast card, but if you want more performance for free then get the 8500
Yes , the 8500 look better in everything i tested so i will keep the card , all games are smooth like silk and picture Q is better .
ThX for your help guys , look like exchange is fully worthit .
CyA ;)
haha lets see the R8500 is close to the 4200 in JK2 and 3Dmark now its faster? haha kQuote:
Originally posted by AMD_Man
What I don't understand is if the R8500 is so close to the Ti4200 (some might say it matches it), then how can it be slower than a GF3? A bit slower than a Ti4200, I can understand, but a GeForce3? That's a bit ludicrous, don't you think? :rolleyes:
Haha ***? the last time I ran 3Dmark was 2 months ago when I bought a P4 and that was tested with a Ti200 to prove my 800mhz overclock, The last thing I think about is 3Dmark socres, The Ti4200 along with the geforce3 Ti500 and gf3 is faster then the 8500 so many benchmarks prove this.Quote:
Originally posted by jimmt
You have to understand something about Mr. Overclocker, he is all about Max FPS and 3DMarks 2xxxx scores. He doesn't know anything about consistent FPS or smooth game play. He purchases his hardware to find out how fast his machine scores in 3D Marks and how good his Peak FPS can be in Serious Sam and Quake 3. You and I are all about visual quality and game play. Like I pointed out in my previous post, which Mr. Overclocker ignored, I rather have consistent FPS of around 50-60 and smooth game play with jaw dropping visuals than have a Peak FPS of 130 and dropping down to 30 every three seconds with not as good visuals. I buy my hardware to game not to brag. ;)
Jim
The 8500 might be faster in 1 or 2 benches but that proves nothing it has to win the magority for it to be faster.
My geforce3 is much faster then my 8500 in pretty much everything it looks just as good 3D wise and is much more reliable.
Newbie-Overclocker is just being ignorant. With the lastest Catylyst drivers, the Radeon 8500 can keep up with a GF4 4200, and even beat it in games such as Jedi Knight 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Dungeon Siege and scores a few more points in 3dmark 2001 SE too. The only area in which a GF4 4200 is significantly faster is AA, but its a tradeoff since the R8500 is alot faster in AF. In the end, both these cards are blazing fast, and I'm suprised to see so many flamewars when both cards are neck-and-neck :)
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That's what I've been saying in the first place. However, Newbie-Overclocker just flamed me, and said that a GeForce3 (the original GF3, not even the Ti500) can easily outperform the R8500 in games. Ohh, come on, most reviewers agree that the R8500 roughly matches the Ti4200 in performance and yet "Mr. Overclocker" would probably be the only person who would say otherwise. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Cobra
Newbie-Overclocker is just being ignorant. With the lastest Catylyst drivers, the Radeon 8500 can keep up with a GF4 4200, and even beat it in games such as Jedi Knight 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Dungeon Siege and scores a few more points in 3dmark 2001 SE too. The only area in which a GF4 4200 is significantly faster is AA, but its a tradeoff since the R8500 is alot faster in AF. In the end, both these cards are blazing fast, and I'm suprised to see so many flamewars when both cards are neck-and-neck :)
The following from HardOCP proves Overclocker's ignorance:
Newbie-Overclocker said that all the reviewers used High Performance mode and it provided no performance boost. This proves him wrong!! He said the R8500 doesn't even match the GF3, and yet, HardOCP says it is, and it's even right up there with the Ti4200. The term "riding right up on the GeForce4 Ti 4200's heels" basically means it's catching up the Ti4200.Quote:
The other possibility could be how ATI set up the drivers at default. When we benchmarked the 6071 drivers, we did not change anything in the control panels except to make sure Vsync was disabled for D3D and OpenGL. The same was also done for the Catalyst drivers. The default settings in the Catalyst drivers could be different than those of the 6071 drivers. There are some more options in the Catalyst driver control panel that are not available with the 6071 drivers. So perhaps image quality has been increased more which would sacrifice performance. In part 2 of our look into the Catalyst we are going to go over all these new features in the D3D and OGL control panels and we wanted to only go into this detail with the final drivers as it is certainly a lot of work. We will examine them to see exactly what they change in terms of IQ and how it effects performance. We will also do some comparisons of Smoothvision and Anisotropic to see if those have been improved in IQ or performance. We plan to also compare the filtering types and see if Mip-Mapping and Trilinear filtering image quality has been improved. It will be a much more in-depth analysis with the final build of the Catalyst drivers which should let you know just exactly how much better they are, if any.
ATI is changing, that much we think we can all agree on. They are more aggressive than ever in getting the end user what they want. They had serious driver problems in the past, but it is safe to say those problems are gone...for the moment. While the Radeon 8500 was not a GeForce3 killer at its introduction because of driver implementation, it's certainly closer to that now. If ATI could have implemented such robust drivers at the market launch of the 8500, the video card landscape might be a bit different from today. In fact, the 8500 is riding right up on the GeForce4 Ti 4200's heels. If you've been reluctant in the past to try out the 8500 because of driver problems, you may want to give it another shot now days. The 8500 can be found for bargain basement prices and it really delivers beyond bargain basement performance.
Mr overclocker is prob. a little boy that has to have everything his way, if the poor little boy is be told other wise hes got to try make up BS to TRY to cover how stupid he is, people like him should be banned from here for giving out false information. Mr. overclocker prob. has a Geforce3 and doesn't want to admit it that it a peice of junk.
P.S. Glad your happy with the 8500!
nt
Well ATI can now finally beat the GF3 (barely). It only took how long? ATI has had IMMENSE problems with drivers. This is undisputable. Perhaps they have a winner this time with the new drivers but will it last? Even HardOCP questions the longevity of ATI's solid drivers.
Saying a GF3 is a piece of junk has got to be the most ridiculous statement I have heard in quite some time. It was the top performer for some time and only recently (3 months ago) lost its performance crown to the new GF4s. It has stomped all over the 8500 forever up until just now. The problem is that now the 8500 is competing against the ti4400 and ti4600 cards and it STILL is not top dog. Never has been, never will be.
Funny how the 8500 has forever lagged far behind the GF3 in many ways and now 8500 owners are calling the GF3 junk. It's a strange world.
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Originally posted by vertices
Well ATI can now finally beat the GF3 (barely). It only took how long? ATI has had IMMENSE problems with drivers. This is undisputable. Perhaps they have a winner this time with the new drivers but will it last? Even HardOCP questions the longevity of ATI's solid drivers.
Saying a GF3 is a piece of junk has got to be the most ridiculous statement I have heard in quite some time. It was the top performer for some time and only recently (3 months ago) lost its performance crown to the new GF4s. It has stomped all over the 8500 forever up until just now. The problem is that now the 8500 is competing against the ti4400 and ti4600 cards and it STILL is not top dog. Never has been, never will be.
Funny how the 8500 has forever lagged far behind the GF3 in many ways and now 8500 owners are calling the GF3 junk. It's a strange world.
People saying the gf3 is better don't know what the F*** there talking about! i had the gf3 and my 8500 kick the crap out of it! i put my gf3 in a faster pc and i still beat it with 8500 in a p3 1000!
you prob never had any of the 2 cards so shut up!