Now, after playing Doom3 and Half-Life2...

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Originally posted by Un4given
Well, to counter that there is something to be said about the D3 engine. It looks good at lower resolutions than the Source engine. It still runs/plays smooth at fairly low frame rates.

What could be a killer to the D3 engine is whether it will be able to support large outdoor environments without needing a super computer cluster to drive it. What we saw in D3 was relatively small environments, and these are far easier to render than large outdoor levels; as anyone who has run games with a fps utility will atest, fps drop pretty hard coming from an indoor to outdoor environment.

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I’m not sure you can do much else with the DOOM 3 engine other then DOOM 3. It’s very heavy into shadows which is why it runs better on nVidia hardware which have much better support for them. It doesn’t really do anything visually that couldn’t be done on DirectX7 hardware, and just uses pixel shaders to improve performance not make objects/characters more realistic. This should mean that unless you are doing something dark and creepy, stuff developed with the HL2 engine is likely to look better.

To me Doom 3 seemed like system shock through the Doom engine.
or System shock source. For me H/l-2 is just more fun to play.
But hoping and praying for NS source!!!

I guess for me, I kinda like the old Doom run and gun. The fact that I had to enter codes to get into lockers, do special things to get into doors instead of just being able to blow 'em open - that got annoying after a while. I was spending more time tweaking with crap and reading PDA's than having fun killing bad guys. :(

I'm just waiting for a aliens vs predator mod for either engine. Perferrably the Doom3 engine.

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Originally posted by Bearded Kirklander
Anyone else thought the gun sounds in Doom 3 were a little weak? I expected the shotgun to give me the same huge BOOOM that the old games used to. No such luck. :(

I'm not out for realism. I want big, over the top BOOOM STICKS! :p

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Agreed. I was going to d/l a mod but by then I was losing interest. The SMG in D3 felt like a peashooter where the MP7 in HL2 is a satisfying instrument of destruction!

come on ppl!!!... d3 is like the CHEAPEST game ive ever played!
it's the only game that i'm sorry for spending money on.
i was waiting for this game like hell, and after playing it for few hours, it was the stupidest game ive ever played!!!:mad:

cheap stupid zombies and dumb monsters!!
only a complete moron will consider this game great.

u should ban his a*s for posting this thread...



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This was a civil debate before you arrived. Mind your manners or go away.

sorry if it offends some of you, he just made me mad!!
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it's been proven that doom 3 can render outdoor environments fairly well and also look great at doing it...since there is no terrain editor like ut2k3/4 it's just one giant mesh that's been modeled in maya or lightwave...it'll render the same as a chair mesh or table...

KaoTik, nice post bro....good points one and all.;) I've noticed that whenever there's talk of D3 vs HL2....it always seems to split into nV vs ATi respectively. Sad really, that games are judged by associations to card makers.:( Having completed D3, I still have it in my rig coz I'm waiting for the expansion, and having gone thru a coupla levels of HL2.....my vote goes to HL2 coz it looks stunning, and the physics engine's astounding.......though some of the problem solving situations are frustrating, yet fun.:D

Fanboys and their videocards.. Believe it or not, there is an actual VIDEOCARD forum here. No, it's not a lie. I've been there. It's an excellent place to view the legendary Thunderbird.

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Originally posted by KaoTiK
...Physics adds absolutely nothing to Doom 3, whereas HL2 is completely built around its incredible physics engine. You are constantly using realistic interactions to your advantage...

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Can you elaborate a little bit more on that one?

For starters, As far as I am concerned HL2 is using Havok 2.0 physics engine, not their own. And there's more than one game in development or already out with the same physics engine. Thus, I don't think it's something unique to HL2.

So, what aspect(s) or feature(s) (physics-wise) in HL2 that makes it outstanding? I might be misunderstanding what you call "physics" here, but mainly what I saw was the ability to pickup objects and drop them. That and the ability to break boxes(which is there since HL1), either with crowbar or jumping on them from sufficient height. Same thing was if I remember correctly in DeusEx IW. And although I like Deus Ex games it wasn't the "best there is".

Yes, that does add to gameplay, but as we've seen in many other games not enough to make the game much better. Yeah, I picked up a bottle and threw it at a guard. Was fun, but how many times I should do that?
And breaking boxes constantly to get stuff inside, that doesn't get repetitive and annoying for anyone? Or breaking a box that turns out you need to get to climb somewhere?

Neither Halo nor Halo 2 have "astonishing physics" but IMHO both are excellent FPS games.

Anyway, in the end all this isn't to bash HL2, I bought both HLs and I do enjoy playing them. I like Doom 3 and Halos as well, which some ppl call crap for whatever reason.

the problem was in doom 3 you never got to see any physics that really affected the game...I mean I bet the doom 3 physics engine has the same capabilities as havok...but still you didn't see much of it in doom 3...

for example...gravity gun...you solve puzzles...kill people...pick up items...throw stuff around with it...it's a multi purpose tool thanks to the physics engine...there's also a ton of scripted sequences taht work with the physics engine...for example a missile hits a smoke stack and the stack falls into peices and tumbles down...or just regular rocks...barrels...thrown around by a grenade or explosion...

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Originally posted by Zvi
Can you elaborate a little bit more on that one?

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Zvi, what the superb physics in HL2 offer you is choices. Choice is integral to tactical gameplay. There is no tactical gameplay in D3. In HL2, to be able to get past a zombie by either (a) shooting him (b) decapitating him with a sawblade picked up and then hurled by the grav manipulator (c) switching on a rotor trap or (d) shooting the gas tank of a nearby car which then blows up and reduces the zombie to a flaming, screeching human torch...well, that is totally unprecedented in any FPS to date, including D3.

HL2 does not use Havok for physics. The physics engine was written by Valve from the ground up.