Vanguard is the next Shadowbane. A good concept for a game that will arrive 3 years too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidCrash
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Vanguard is the next Shadowbane. A good concept for a game that will arrive 3 years too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidCrash
Maybe you're right, but I'm not coming into any major conclusions like that until the game is actually released. I could see how the majority of WoW players won't like the increased difficulty though, considering a large percentage of the playerbase started the MMO genre WITH WoW and nothing before it. It'll be nice though for those of us who miss the difficulty associated with past MMO's, namely EQ and UO. Not that they were difficult to say the least, but they were more of a challenge than WoW is.
I'm just sick of the WoW world in general. Discovering new area's and not knowing what to expect is what I like best in MMO's. Even if Vanguard does suck, that part of the game will at least keep me playing until I reach the cap. And by the looks of it, reaching the cap will be somewhat more of an uphill battle than WoW.
I dunno man, SOE is publishing it so I'm sure they will hussle it along. If anything it will come out an incomplete piece of **** like EQ2 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
Oh! I didn't know that SOE was publishing it. Now I feel MUCH better. ::rollseyes::Quote:
Originally Posted by Timman_24
Vanguard sucks.
Trust me on this.
Its... an utter piece of trash.
Seriously.
It is going to be a massive failure. I'm almost embarassed to see my beloved SOE publish it.
At primetime in beta there is MAYBE 100 people online.
Blah.
Don't get me started on Vanguard.
Haha, wow.. you just took a major shi* on my parade. :(
If it really is that bad, maybe I'll just play Everquest again when The Combine server opens later this month.
I think thats what he wants you to do. If somone says "my beloved SOE" in a sentence, take what they say with a grain of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidCrash
Thats funny I thought carebears who want to be uber pwners in 5 minutes ruined online gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidCrash
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Originally Posted by yoLNEr
Hmmm, Ive got 23 days played on my 60 rogue and he is no where near "Uber Pwning" people. It takes a BWL guild to get even close to that, but now since AQ40 is on farm status in some guilds and Naxx is just around the corner it will take even more time. A war in my guild that is totally epiced out has 80 days played on him and he is still on regularly to help out our guild. Please do not comment if you have not played the game throughly, thanks.
Just look at UO. Little carebears bit**ed and whined and ruined the game. Now in wow you can get to 60 in 10 days. The mmo companies are listening to the carebears and making the games easier and easier.
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Originally Posted by yoLNEr
Remember, companies survive because of customers. People who only care to reach lvl 60 in 10 days get bored and at the end of 3 months they choose another game. WoW has become bigger and bigger and it's still the same slash/click/cast game 18 months old.
You know why people play it? Because it's easy.
People who have a life outside don't want to get killed and lose their valuable time in getting their items again.
If you work/study have a girlfriend/wife and/or children, you'll realize "time is money".
I need to get some learnin' from ya! My rouge is just under 47.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timman_24
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Originally Posted by spamjedi
the first char is always the longest one to lvl. Once you reach 60, create an alt and you'll realize you'll cut the time by at least 1/4.
Getting level 60 doesnt mean much. A fresh level 60 is no where near as powerful as a geared up level 60. Items are what this game is all about. Ya cant just look at the level of someone. They even came up with a system to "rate" 60s. Tier 0, 0.5, 1, 2, 2.5, and now 3. Right now I would say I am at 0.5-1. Getting to the top takes a lot of time, dedication, and some skill. There are ways to get fully geared without much skill, as in having a friend get you into a guild that has a dungeon on farm status. That is rare though. I have had to make progress through the dungeons in a newer guild, and am having a great time learning more about the strats, my character, and my guildies.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoLNEr
If pvp is all you are looking for, this is not the game for you. They are doing a pvp overhaul in patch 1.13, I cant wait for that. I hate how honor goes away over time. Overall I like it. If you play hardcore everyday for 12hours or more, this game my go by fast. I dont want a game that takes that amount of dedication to make any progress though.
I got to 60 in 15-16 days. I dunno if I could cut it down to 4 days, but 8-10 would be about right if I did it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by freedonX
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Originally Posted by Timman_24
My palladin took 22 days, my mage took 12 days.
4-5 days to reach 60..CRAZY :eek: :eek: just impossible!
yolner or whatever his name is, is obviously just a troll who throws in the term "carebear" every now and then to try and get a rise out of someone, no one should pay attention. He obviously hasn't played any new MMOs, lol.
But yeah, WoW is really easy when you know how to level right. If I tried I could get 60 in a couple weeks. Not sure how much that would equate to actual play time though.
True, but in the post it also seemed like he was apart of beta. Regardless, I'm still going to try it out for myself, even if Brad McQuaid says it sucks (which I doubt he will, although him going to SoE might be an indication :D).Quote:
I think thats what he wants you to do. If somone says "my beloved SOE" in a sentence, take what they say with a grain of salt.
Yeah I havent played any new mmos except WOW, SWG, COH, GW and almost every other mmo released in the last few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiquidCrash
Well this is great, I have to make 7 jumps into the ***-end of nowhere to pick up 20 units of, what I surmise to be, futuristic rebar. A severe misallocation of my Merlin "Anathema."
lol, I'd probaly try EVE if my computer wasn't restarting randomly. As it goes now, I can't play any MMO. I don't have the security knowing that my computer will constantly be on. When all I'm thinking about is my computer rebooting, I can't enjoy myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by GetCarter
yolner, well sorry I made that speculation. But you throw around the term carebear more often than not. I never bashed the PvP community. So why bash the PvE community? We all find enjoyment out of games in different ways. Just for the record though, I did play WoW PvP. But that version is more like FPS meets MMO.. you die, than respawn with no repercussions (except lost time). You don't even get an armor hit like you would from a normal mob NPC.
Lol I guess you are talking about EVE. I am just going to let my trial run out on that game. It takes far too long to get anywhere and once your there you have to go some where else 8 jumps away.Quote:
Originally Posted by GetCarter
Welcome to Fedex... IN SPACE!Quote:
Originally Posted by GetCarter
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Originally Posted by GetCarter
maybe earily on for starting out but not really. Over all it might set you back 20-40 hours much of which you can do while you sleep from reading books (how you raise atrubutes). And in the long hall 40 hours really is not that much time. You are given more freedom of choice. Really the only diffences is what you starting ship is going to be and what areas are already going to be boosted a little but you can raise everything up fairly easily.
Hope that helps out. The hardest thing will be getting the books for the other races ships. That might take some time but really the extra time spent reading those book up is like 20-40 hours and if you find some friends on like chance are you can get those missing books pretty easily I know I did. Just some food for though.
I'm sorry man but its the truth. Vanguard is unfun, broken and suffers from terrible design decisions.
Now they are literally asking the beta players what they want out of the game.
Their feedback forums is basically a form setup for players to write quests and the like.
Its just... /blah.
I was actually excited for it as well since I've played EQ2 for almost two years and done all there is to do basically and I wanted a breath of fresh air more catered to my playstyle.
Let me just say that Vanguard, in its current beta state after years of development, is sorely lacking.
It has a lot of core systems that don't even work, classes that aren't even implemented - and as I said before design decisions and core mechanics that plain aren't fun.
I'm a hardcore MMO raider too, about 40 hours a week or so depending. I love camping, I love a challenge, I love grinding - and I still hate Vanguard.
They have a long way to go to perfection.
If you thought EQ2 sucked during beta or early live - well lol, you haven't seen anything yet if they release Vanguard anytime soon.
It wouldn't matter either way as him playing EQ, EQ2 or Vanguard = money for SOE.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi
If I wanted him to play an SOE game because I like the company I probably wouldn't say Vanguard sucks eh?
I say it sucks because it sucks.