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08-31-2002, 01:57 AM
butcherbeard

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Originally posted by PointlesS
I haven't read the whole thread..so sorry if I skipped over this part...but...does anyone have any benchmarks for games? I'm sorry but I hardly run 3dmark at all because I could really care less about it and 3dmark gets boring after 5 minutes but anyways...does anyone have some before and after benchies? because I mean 1000 points gained in 3dmark means that theres gotta be some performance gains in games...but from what I saw at www.vr-zone.com they only got a 7 fps increase in 1 game at best with the rest only getting 1-2 fps increase (and 1 decreased)...I'm not trying to start anything but I'm just wondering if any of you guys got different results...

I would say that this is an attempt by NVIDIA to pull the rug out from under the 9700. I ran the new drivers and yes it made the old score jump almost to 15000 but I dont think they needed to pull this stunt to keep folks around. I just read that the 9700 doesnt have video cap. I think thats pretty sh!tty on ATIs part to leave that out of such a good card. Its a nice score but I was sticking with my 4600 anyway. Good try NVIDIA...but you really didnt need to do it ;)
08-31-2002, 10:56 AM
LAG

I've gone back to the 29.42's for me. To be honest, I don't even know what kinda jumb I got, as I formatted for my new mobo and immediately put the 40.41's on. But my score was pretty good, so I imagine it was partly due to the new drivers. But as I said before I have reverted back to the 29.42's for one simple reason. The everpresent refresh rate problem. I tried reforce, and though it works, it doesn't work properly. I'm stuck and 85hz @ 1024x768, and both my card and monitor can do 100hz. I'm bummed that my favorite utility rivatuner isn't compatible. Maybe when they make a newer version that supports the 40.41's I'll go back. But for now, playing games at 100hz is way more important to me than playing 3dmark over...and over...and over...you get the point.
08-31-2002, 11:04 AM
Vlad_M

Damn it i can't get the damned drivers to work properly...

I completely removed the old drivers, and installed the new ones clean, I even manged to run 3dmark2001 and got like a 300 increase.

First of all, why such a small increase? I have a ASUS A7A133 mobo, and i think that that may be why, but I am not sure. The other thing is that everything bluescreens when i turn on AA.

I am going back to the 29.42's and installing these when the rivatuner comes up with the settings for the 40's.

BTW I have a ti4200 in case it matters
08-31-2002, 12:16 PM
The_Bloodguard

I increased my GF4 4200 from 260/520 to 290/550 and installed the new 4041 drivers and my 3dmark2001 went from about 11300 to 13264. Very cool and I kick Pinchy's butt by 50 pts or so! :)
08-31-2002, 01:24 PM
JustW

https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2002/08/1.jpg

Thats a compare between my computer with the 40.41 drivers and the 29.42 drviers. The only diffrence is that when I had the 29.42 drivers my comp ran stable with DDR400, and with the 40.41's I had to take my RAM to DDR300 (not because of the drviers, but because I had lowered my Vmem) As you can see the only real bench that got a massive gain was the Nature benchmark, but then agian, the only real bench that the 9700 pulls ahead of the GeForce4 Ti is in the nature benchmark, at default settings. In some cases I actually lost performance, so how does a 20FPS gain in Nature merit a 600pt gain overall in 3DMark? Something is definately fishy here.
08-31-2002, 01:43 PM
sapasion

I don't know the exact formula for how the total score is achieved but obviously the nature and dragothic low increases account for most of the score increase
08-31-2002, 07:13 PM
KaoTiK

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Originally posted by JustWhitman
http://home.insightbb.com/~forseti/3dmark.jpg

Thats a compare between my computer with the 40.41 drivers and the 29.42 drviers. The only diffrence is that when I had the 29.42 drivers my comp ran stable with DDR400, and with the 40.41's I had to take my RAM to DDR300 (not because of the drviers, but because I had lowered my Vmem) As you can see the only real bench that got a massive gain was the Nature benchmark, but then agian, the only real bench that the 9700 pulls ahead of the GeForce4 Ti is in the nature benchmark, at default settings. In some cases I actually lost performance, so how does a 20FPS gain in Nature merit a 600pt gain overall in 3DMark? Something is definately fishy here.

Um man you REALLY should redo your bench with the 40.41's only with your ram at DDR 400, because 3Dmark has a massive increase from performance when you feed it mem bandwidth.
08-31-2002, 08:42 PM
d_k

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Originally posted by The_Bloodguard
I increased my GF4 4200 from 260/520 to 290/550 and installed the new 4041 drivers and my 3dmark2001 went from about 11300 to 13264. Very cool and I kick Pinchy's butt by 50 pts or so! :)

You cant possibly get that score , unless your CPu was overclocked ..
Was it ???
08-31-2002, 09:38 PM
jagojago12

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Originally posted by JustWhitman
In some cases I actually lost performance, so how does a 20FPS gain in Nature merit a 600pt gain overall in 3DMark? Something is definately fishy here.

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Originally posted by sapasion
I don't know the exact formula for how the total score is achieved but obviously the nature and dragothic low increases account for most of the score increase

JustWhitman's 3DMark is correct.

To calculate your 3DMark you do this:

((Add up low details scores) + ((Add up high details scores)*2))*10 = Your 3DMark score

In this situation it will be:

((180.3+227.2+165.2) + ((59.8+123.7+73.8+75.1)*2))*10 = 12375
08-31-2002, 10:22 PM
JustW

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Originally posted by KaoTiK

Um man you REALLY should redo your bench with the 40.41's only with your ram at DDR 400, because 3Dmark has a massive increase from performance when you feed it mem bandwidth.

I probably will eventually, I've just been spending most of my freetime playing Mafia, hehe. I think I will tomoroow though, just to see what kind of gains I get out of the mem increase.

--edit--
BTW what kind of gain do you think I would get out of DDR400 vs DDR300 speeds.

--another edit--
I beat him by 5FPS in Nature bench though, heh.
08-31-2002, 10:25 PM
JustW

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Originally posted by cocacola155

You cant possibly get that score , unless your CPu was overclocked ..
Was it ???

Yea I'd like to know too, I mean his card is clocked lower than mine, yet he beats me over 1,000pts.

--edit--
I looked at his compare, and yea he has his 2.26 clocked @ 2.652, plus the RDRAM helps him blow me away I guess :D I think Next month I'm going to pick up a 2.53 along with some RDRAM, and a new mobo of course.
08-31-2002, 10:37 PM
The_Bloodguard

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by CocaCola You cant possibly get that score , unless your CPu was overclocked ..

Yes, my CPU was OC to 156 FSB but my CPU speed is noted in the 3DMark compare link at the bottom of my sig.
What surprised me was that my last 3DMark was ~11300 at the same 156 FSB but the vid card was set at 260/520 at that time. I ran 3DMark at 260/520, no O/C on the 2.26 and the 4041 drivers and received a ~11900 score so I bumped the vid card and CPU and got the 13200 score.
09-01-2002, 04:26 AM
Mancora

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Originally posted by Un4given

We don't know that they have been holding out. At this time we don't know what the drivers changed. They could have just as easily changed the LOD or something else to gain these extra points. Also, 3DMark is a common benchmark. Most card makers try to optimize drivers for games/programs used most commonly in benchmarking. Unfortunately, when this is done it rarely translates into increased performance across the board for all programs.

With the way some people believe 3dmark i sometimes think that extra 3dmarks is all they need to enjoy their games better even if the image quality is slaughtered ;)

Which i dont think it was.
09-01-2002, 03:03 PM
PinchyCM

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Originally posted by The_Bloodguard

Yes, my CPU was OC to 156 FSB but my CPU speed is noted in the 3DMark compare link at the bottom of my sig.
What surprised me was that my last 3DMark was ~11300 at the same 156 FSB but the vid card was set at 260/520 at that time. I ran 3DMark at 260/520, no O/C on the 2.26 and the 4041 drivers and received a ~11900 score so I bumped the vid card and CPU and got the 13200 score.

Must be that RIMM4200, I guess it loves the bandwith. I mean, I have my 2.26 @ 2.55 (150FSB), and then card OCed to 300/648 and I get 13212. Pretty unbelieveable, but wow. Sweet jesus. Anyways, good job. Stupid Ti4400. Hehe.

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