How can you say such things? Plummer has a high winning percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakespy
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How can you say such things? Plummer has a high winning percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakespy
too bad that winning percentage doesn't encompass 'big games'.... he's a choker...he should be on Marty Chokenheimers team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boneycat
let's go gmen, I really hope eli can have a good game....it's been a while. And for the love of god, throw it to shockey in the first half.......
hahaha jacksonville's D is gonna smash Ecry, their passing game has gone way down - I'd be surprised if he put it in the air more than 20 times....they will try and pound the ball with a banged up Tiki and a bulldozer in Jacobs.
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Originally Posted by vairox
Yeah, I bet Eli is one of your favorites, huh. ;)
It's a well known fact that the Giant's front office is kicking themselves for not keeping Rivers...bunch of dumbarses.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
Eli isn't bad, he's just a crybaby whiner...he's struggling right now, everyone does...look at cadillac williams...I don't care for the guy, and I laugh when he gets smashed....but I don't think he's THAT much worse than rivers.
Eli is average at best. Being ave as a #1 pick in the draft equals sucking hard. Now if he was picked say in the 3rd round, then yes, he's not a bad player. Rivers out throws, out thinks, and out runs eli.
true.
I always hate it when players refuse to play for the team that drafts them.
"I don't want the Chargers' millions, I want NY's!! WWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH"
Life's not all about money. They decided that San Diego wasn't the right place for him, and they let the team know that. Remember, it was the team that leaked the story; the Manning family was trying to keep it quiet. They weren't trying to throw a nationally viewed hissy fit. The Chargers had a history of bad negotiations with players; even Phillip Rivers had a long holdout with them. The Mannings were actually willing to give up millions of dollars by dropping a few slots in the draft to go to a different team. Then, when the Chargers drafted him anyway, he still went on stage, put on the smile, and went along with everything (though he didn't wear the hat). I don't hold that situation against Eli at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
Why shouldn't players care about where they play? If they get drafted, of course they should go to the team and play hard, which they basically universally do. How would you feel, though, if you spent your entire life in Texas or Florida, high school and college, and all of the sudden you're getting shipped off to freaking the far north, like Green Bay or New England? Millions of dollars or not, the entire environmental and culture shock would be incredible.
You say you "always hate it;" can you name anybody that got drafted by someone they didn't want to go to and threatened to/ended up sitting out? The only one I can think of is John Elway, and he had a professional baseball career to go to if he didn't play football.
Actually daddy Manning wanted Eli Eli Oh to play in a big market city, aka NY, for (you guessed it) booko buckos. Yea, it's that greed thing that's being blown out of proportion on another thread here. San Diego is a small market team. Archy was trying to pull strings to get the best for his son and onto a team that had better potential at being better quicker, which defeats the purpose of a draft where the worst team gets to pick first.Quote:
Originally Posted by monroeski
As a rookie it's irrelevant where you "want" to play. You, as a player, you are a tool and will be used and abused as necessary until you prove that you are an uber-star at which case you get some say on where and who you'd like to play for. If everyone who entered the draft were crybaby daddy boys like Eli Eli Oh, then the whole integrity of the draft gets compromised.
because it is an honor to even be considered good enough to play in the NFL, and when a team calls your number you don't whine and cry....you be happy, you be glad that someone considered you NFL worthy....you don't get to pick your team, thats an insult to the league and to everyone else who plays hard every sunday for teams they don't want to be on.... this isn't playground dogeball dude.[/quote]Quote:
Why shouldn't players care about where they play?
except for the silver spooners...Quote:
If they get drafted, of course they should go to the team and play hard, which they basically universally do.
to play in the NFL, with the best of the best, who cares... he played at Ole Miss... then went to snowy NY instead of America's Finest City where it's 68F year round and sunny....Quote:
How would you feel, though, if you spent your entire life in Texas or Florida, high school and college, and all of the sudden you're getting shipped off to freaking the far north, like Green Bay or New England?
we were all in a state of culture shock when we came out, it's not an excuse to whine and cry until you get your way.... he deserves to be bashed in the media, he deserves what he gets....Quote:
Millions of dollars or not, the entire environmental and culture shock would be incredible.
NY got reamed dry in that deal, the chargers got rivers, merriman, kaeding, oben... but NY got it's crybaby pedigree QB....worked out great for them.
sometimes I wonder if peyton hides his head and runs away thinking *I'm adopted* when he's around pa and ecry.
"Tried to pull strings" is not the same as being a crybaby about it. As I said, they tried to keep things quiet in the first place, it was the Chargers that blew it up. If you don't want to play somewhere, why not tell them you'd prefer if they didn't draft you? Nothing has been signed yet, no one is going back on their word. They can still draft you if they want to, and if you want to sit out for a year and go back into the next draft, and make yourself look bad in front of the entire league, and miss out on an entire year's worth of practice, development, money, etc., then that's your prerogative. San Diego decided to pick him up anyway, and go for a trade, and they made out like bandits. They got Rivers, who is doing great and who many people had rated above Eli anyway, plus Merriman and Nate Kaeding. Who's to say the Chargers didn't want Rivers in the first place, and just decided to make the best out of the situation with Eli?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boneycat
Plus, do you really think Eli would have just sat out for a year if he went to San Diego? He would have to be crazy. If he stayed with San Diego, NY would have picked up some QB in the draft, so he wouldn't be going there any time soon. They weren't just going to tank the season to get a high enough pick to take him next year. If he decided to pout and not play hard, his stock would drop a mile by the time he actually reached free agency. He would never have actually sat out. All he did was tell San Diego that he would rather not be there.
The NFL is big business. It was a business move, and both sides ended up with what they wanted.
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Originally Posted by vairox
If you are honestly trying to tell me that if you had the choice between a historically badly managed team and another team that had a better chance of turning themselves around where you would earn millions upon millions more dollars, and you had any sort of clout to get that changed, you are insane. Again, it's not like he started crying to the media like a bunch of well-known receivers do, it was behind closed doors and San Diego leaked it. Who's to say how many deals like this are made every year that we don't even know about?Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
Someone else mentioned that they hate all these players that do this, and here you are talking about the "silver spooners." If you can name 3 players other than Eli and John Elway that told the teams that drafted them that they wanted out, or players that sat out because they didn't like the team they were on, then I will be amazed.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
Well, the cry for Cutler has officially begun. There is not one person that I have talked to that thinks we should keep Plummer in, he cannot win a superbowl.
And dont forget, this is Rivers 3rd year in the NFL, big difference here he cant be compared to Leinart or any other rookie QB's.