Any MMO where you're constantly in a group?

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06-06-2006, 07:15 PM
ImaNihilist

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Originally Posted by LiquidCrash

I agree with you on the easiness of WoW, which is why it can only hold my attention for so long before I get tired of it. I'm hoping Vanguard will bring more in the ways of older MMOs while still retaining some of the traits of newer ones. But it'll be hard to tell until the game is actually released and people delve into it. Just by the screenshots though, it's got the same ugly art direction that EQ2 has.

Vanguard is the next Shadowbane. A good concept for a game that will arrive 3 years too late.
06-06-2006, 09:28 PM
LiquidCrash

Maybe you're right, but I'm not coming into any major conclusions like that until the game is actually released. I could see how the majority of WoW players won't like the increased difficulty though, considering a large percentage of the playerbase started the MMO genre WITH WoW and nothing before it. It'll be nice though for those of us who miss the difficulty associated with past MMO's, namely EQ and UO. Not that they were difficult to say the least, but they were more of a challenge than WoW is.

I'm just sick of the WoW world in general. Discovering new area's and not knowing what to expect is what I like best in MMO's. Even if Vanguard does suck, that part of the game will at least keep me playing until I reach the cap. And by the looks of it, reaching the cap will be somewhat more of an uphill battle than WoW.
06-06-2006, 10:06 PM
Timman_24

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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

Vanguard is the next Shadowbane. A good concept for a game that will arrive 3 years too late.

I dunno man, SOE is publishing it so I'm sure they will hussle it along. If anything it will come out an incomplete piece of **** like EQ2 :D
06-06-2006, 10:26 PM
ImaNihilist

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

I dunno man, SOE is publishing it so I'm sure they will hussle it along. If anything it will come out an incomplete piece of **** like EQ2 :D

Oh! I didn't know that SOE was publishing it. Now I feel MUCH better. ::rollseyes::
06-07-2006, 02:16 AM
OpStar

Vanguard sucks.

Trust me on this.

Its... an utter piece of trash.

Seriously.

It is going to be a massive failure. I'm almost embarassed to see my beloved SOE publish it.

At primetime in beta there is MAYBE 100 people online.

Blah.

Don't get me started on Vanguard.
06-07-2006, 02:43 AM
LiquidCrash

Haha, wow.. you just took a major shi* on my parade. :(
If it really is that bad, maybe I'll just play Everquest again when The Combine server opens later this month.
06-07-2006, 08:38 AM
spamjedi

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Originally Posted by LiquidCrash

Haha, wow.. you just took a major shi* on my parade. :(
If it really is that bad, maybe I'll just play Everquest again when The Combine server opens later this month.

I think thats what he wants you to do. If somone says "my beloved SOE" in a sentence, take what they say with a grain of salt.
06-07-2006, 09:36 AM
yoLNEr

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Originally Posted by LiquidCrash

That's hilarious. And my mom has what to do with this? Exactly the same kind of attitude that ruins online gaming. Thanks for proving my point... :D and I knew you'd respond that way before you did, kid.

Thats funny I thought carebears who want to be uber pwners in 5 minutes ruined online gaming.
06-07-2006, 10:55 AM
Timman_24

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Originally Posted by yoLNEr

Thats funny I thought carebears who want to be uber pwners in 5 minutes ruined online gaming.

Hmmm, Ive got 23 days played on my 60 rogue and he is no where near "Uber Pwning" people. It takes a BWL guild to get even close to that, but now since AQ40 is on farm status in some guilds and Naxx is just around the corner it will take even more time. A war in my guild that is totally epiced out has 80 days played on him and he is still on regularly to help out our guild. Please do not comment if you have not played the game throughly, thanks.
06-07-2006, 11:42 AM
yoLNEr

Just look at UO. Little carebears bit**ed and whined and ruined the game. Now in wow you can get to 60 in 10 days. The mmo companies are listening to the carebears and making the games easier and easier.
06-07-2006, 12:12 PM
freedon

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Originally Posted by yoLNEr

Just look at UO. Little carebears bit**ed and whined and ruined the game. Now in wow you can get to 60 in 10 days. The mmo companies are listening to the carebears and making the games easier and easier.

Remember, companies survive because of customers. People who only care to reach lvl 60 in 10 days get bored and at the end of 3 months they choose another game. WoW has become bigger and bigger and it's still the same slash/click/cast game 18 months old.

You know why people play it? Because it's easy.

People who have a life outside don't want to get killed and lose their valuable time in getting their items again.

If you work/study have a girlfriend/wife and/or children, you'll realize "time is money".
06-07-2006, 12:13 PM
spamjedi

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

Hmmm, Ive got 23 days played on my 60 rogue

I need to get some learnin' from ya! My rouge is just under 47.
06-07-2006, 12:25 PM
freedon

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Originally Posted by spamjedi

I need to get some learnin' from ya! My rouge is just under 47.

the first char is always the longest one to lvl. Once you reach 60, create an alt and you'll realize you'll cut the time by at least 1/4.
06-07-2006, 12:31 PM
Timman_24

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Originally Posted by yoLNEr

Just look at UO. Little carebears bit**ed and whined and ruined the game. Now in wow you can get to 60 in 10 days. The mmo companies are listening to the carebears and making the games easier and easier.

Getting level 60 doesnt mean much. A fresh level 60 is no where near as powerful as a geared up level 60. Items are what this game is all about. Ya cant just look at the level of someone. They even came up with a system to "rate" 60s. Tier 0, 0.5, 1, 2, 2.5, and now 3. Right now I would say I am at 0.5-1. Getting to the top takes a lot of time, dedication, and some skill. There are ways to get fully geared without much skill, as in having a friend get you into a guild that has a dungeon on farm status. That is rare though. I have had to make progress through the dungeons in a newer guild, and am having a great time learning more about the strats, my character, and my guildies.

If pvp is all you are looking for, this is not the game for you. They are doing a pvp overhaul in patch 1.13, I cant wait for that. I hate how honor goes away over time. Overall I like it. If you play hardcore everyday for 12hours or more, this game my go by fast. I dont want a game that takes that amount of dedication to make any progress though.
06-07-2006, 12:35 PM
Timman_24

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Originally Posted by freedonX

the first char is always the longest one to lvl. Once you reach 60, create an alt and you'll realize you'll cut the time by at least 1/4.

I got to 60 in 15-16 days. I dunno if I could cut it down to 4 days, but 8-10 would be about right if I did it again.

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