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02-25-2013, 07:18 PM
kpxgq

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Originally Posted by PCVSNotebook

Apparently , the PS4 is a PC too :D

so why not :) .. I want to see games optimized for GTX670 using every bit of the hardware !

its called the steam box and its really not in the same price market as the ps4/xbox720 ($400-500)
02-25-2013, 08:54 PM
ImaNihilist

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Originally Posted by kpxgq

its called the steam box and its really not in the same price market as the ps4/xbox720 ($400-500)

We don't have prices yet for anything. It may well be.

The interesting thing about Steam is that it's already multi-platform, so they are already generating profits. Valve could, if they decided to, HEAVILY subsidize anything they build. They've already mastered software sales, and the lifetime value of a customer is through the roof.
02-26-2013, 05:18 AM
Timman_24

The other thing is that they do not have to coax developers to use their service nor do they have to support an sdk. Valve pretty much has lunch for free every day.
02-27-2013, 04:50 PM
Geforce255

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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist

The PS4 announcement was one of the worst announcements I have ever seen. Ever. It was embarrassing to watch.

What I took away from it is that there is no such thing as a PS4 today. There's a general idea of components that they will use to make one in the future. That's it. Right now it's a paper concept. I'm not even sure if the controller is real. They never really showed someone using it close up.

The other thing is that PS4 is really just the controller. That's it. The console is just a standard x86 machine. I'm guessing all the games are OpenGL. The only difference between a PS4 game and a standard Windows game is what, a few API hooks and controller support?

The massive pile of video memory is somewhat novel, but we'll be there soon enough anyway.

You say that like it's a bad thing? I applaud Sony for going this direction, it will expand gaming across the board.
02-27-2013, 05:03 PM
Geforce255

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Originally Posted by dyne

Realistically? The exclusives from 1st parties. I'll buy one just for what Naughty Dog pumps out because it's the only place to play their games.

Don't tell Sony, but if they use X86 hardware, those exclusives will be cracked in days.

Nah, the advantage of a console in this case is standardized hardware that developers can depend on. No Intel HD2000 to support or old Windows 95 machines that plague PC gaming.
02-27-2013, 05:06 PM
Geforce255

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Originally Posted by PCVSNotebook

Who needs a cheap built in GPU when it is Microsoft... I d love to see them goto Intel + Nvidia :D somthing like GTX 670 + 8 cores ULV Xeon.

The first $2,000 console... ;)
02-27-2013, 06:35 PM
richardginn

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Originally Posted by Geforce255

The first $2,000 console... ;)

Still cheap;)
02-28-2013, 11:32 AM
PCVSNotebook

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Originally Posted by Geforce255

The first $2,000 console... ;)

lolz , MS can sell them without any profit :) as they did with their first Xbox...

and thats a 500$ console actually , Intel/Nvidia will sell them cheap for MS , MS will order millions of them , you are talking about real whole sale discount here.

The CPU wont be the same Xeon, but will be built on it ... same like our Desktop Versions of Xeons

That is , Registered RAM disabled , etc...

besides , Xeons are expensive because they are aimed at the Enterprise Market , nothing more ... making them is as cheap as making the desktop cpu for Intel.

I d say , Intel will ask 200$ for the 8 cores special Xeon CPU in one million Quantity, and Nvidia will ask for around 150$ for their GTX 670 chips in one million Quantity ...
03-01-2013, 02:23 AM
Timman_24

$200 CPU + $150 GTX + $60 8GB GDDR5 + $25 controller + $10 NIC + $10 Wifi + $50 HDD + $5 4GB system NAND + $40 logic board + $15 PSU + $20 Plastic enclosure + $45 Kinect + $10 cabling + $5 retail packaging = $645 at barebones cost without thinking about marketing, research, continued salaries, overhead, logistics, exclusive deals, etc etc. That's why we are stuck with low end Jaguar cores in an APU. Bring the cost of the APU package down to $65, then we are talking about a price of $360, which is right on target.
03-01-2013, 08:12 AM
PCVSNotebook

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

$200 CPU + $150 GTX + $60 8GB GDDR5 + $25 controller + $10 NIC + $10 Wifi + $50 HDD + $5 4GB system NAND + $40 logic board + $15 PSU + $20 Plastic enclosure + $45 Kinect + $10 cabling + $5 retail packaging = $645 at barebones cost without thinking about marketing, research, continued salaries, overhead, logistics, exclusive deals, etc etc. That's why we are stuck with low end Jaguar cores in an APU. Bring the cost of the APU package down to $65, then we are talking about a price of $360, which is right on target.

:D

why are you using street prices for it hahahaa :)

they will order one million 8G ram , one million Harddisk , etc :)

divide your prices by TWO !!!
03-01-2013, 11:08 AM
taggart6

Price conjecture is fun!

I'm gonna say the cables will be all monster so lets add some zeros on that price tag.
03-01-2013, 02:31 PM
Timman_24

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Originally Posted by PCVSNotebook

:D

why are you using street prices for it hahahaa :)

they will order one million 8G ram , one million Harddisk , etc :)

divide your prices by TWO !!!

Those are street prices. GDDR5 is ridiculously expensive. I found a price breakout of a GPU and 2GB of GDDR5 cost $23 1 year ago at wholesale. 1TB HDD is $50 at wholesale. I used your prices for CPU and GTX. The rest is right in line.

Taggart, you don't like to have some pricing fun????

The point is, you can't have $350 tied up in two chips lol.
03-01-2013, 05:23 PM
PCVSNotebook

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Originally Posted by Timman_24

Those are street prices. GDDR5 is ridiculously expensive. I found a price breakout of a GPU and 2GB of GDDR5 cost $23 1 year ago at wholesale. 1TB HDD is $50 at wholesale. I used your prices for CPU and GTX. The rest is right in line.

Taggart, you don't like to have some pricing fun????

The point is, you can't have $350 tied up in two chips lol.

I never ordered 1 million items :) .. and I dont think you know the prices of 1 million items whole sales .. those prices are strictly confidential .

but I know this , some one I know ordered a $10 street price Flash sticks from China .. he ordered in 10,000 quantity .. guess how much he paid for them ? $2 each ! but for that price he had to order 10,000 minimum .. now imagine ordering 1 million...

you know what he sold most of them for $10 , and when they stopped selling , he sold whats left for $5 special discount LOL and they disappeared in one week.

I know you used my CPU prices ... CPU + GPU = $350 , the rest $150 IMO totaling $500 machine ...

MS can sell it for that price and get the money from the Software ... they have the cash for that :) .. it is a dream I know but maybe they will do it :)
03-01-2013, 05:31 PM
Timman_24

It was the price break down of a 580GTX to get GDDR5 prices, so of course it uses wholesale prices. Cheap *** NAND in throw-away USB sticks from china is much different from making a console that must be able to carry at least a one year warranty. I think you underestimate the manufacturing costs of electronics. The cheapest 3rd Gen iPad had a manufacturing cost of $306! The processor+GPU was only $23...

http://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/New...Materials.aspx
03-01-2013, 07:17 PM
taggart6

:shurg:

I rather know the actual price. Either way I no longer buy consoles at launch. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to risky. I like to wait till the inevitable re-design or when the library is to great to pass up. I have more then enough games to keep me happly or the next couple of years as it is.

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