Priated Games? Whats your value system?

Stealing is wrong - separate of the law. Morally, it's just wrong. People can try to justify and rationalize and express "oh, but I'm only stealing a little", but the simple fact is that it is wrong.

I don't understand how anyone could debate otherwise.

That said, there are gray areas out there. No CD patches, for example. I see nothing wrong with them - provided you legally purchased the game. But some say it violates the law. But EULA rulings in courts like California bring that into dispute.

I think No Steam patches are fine too. I think circumventing product activation as long as you paid for the software is fine also.

I don't dispute that you should PAY FOR and legally purchase software and hardware. But once you get that software, that's where I have issues. It's YOUR software - if you want to No CD patch it or No Activate patch it, I have no trouble with that.

You should not be allowed to decompile, alter and sell the software - you should only be able to use it for personal / business use as expected (like using Excel for accounting, etc.) But you should not be forced to jump through hoops just to use the software or hardware you have already paid for. At least, that's how I feel about it.

So bottom line - stealing is bad. Other stuff is gray area. :)

One More Thing - I don't think the argument that "I'm pirating it to see if I like it enough to buy it." in most cases. If a working DEMO is available, or a Try Before You Buy Shareware version is available, then that should be sufficient, I believe.

That is what Demos are for, are they not?

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Originally posted by Colossus
HAHAHA! Funny, Been there, Got the T-Shirt and moved on... It wasnt fun, but it wasnt that bad...

People like you who pirate everything they see are what sucks in the world. You are too p*ssy to actually pay for something. Ignorance is bliss, but stupidity last a lifetime!

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Hey there's Colosus, standing on a pulpit, talking out his a$$ again.

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Originally posted by Colossus
steal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stl)
v. stole, (stl) sto·len, (stln) steal·ing, steals
v. tr.
To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
To get or effect surreptitiously or artfully: steal a kiss; stole the ball from an opponent.
To move, carry, or place surreptitiously.
To draw attention unexpectedly in (an entertainment), especially by being the outstanding performer: The magician's assistant stole the show with her comic antics.
Baseball. To advance safely to (another base) during the delivery of a pitch, without the aid of a base hit, walk, passed ball, or wild pitch.

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Still yapping? well you cant get 16000 posts by only posting what u understand.
Talk about post Whoring, next thing you know he'll be quoting the dictionary. *shakes head and laughs*

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Originally posted by Colossus
Actually not really...

You are still doing something morally wrong. One is pirating the other is voiding the warranty and wanting it replaced (dont admit to overclocking it)...

Both art is stealing, as you were never entitled to the replacement processor or the stolen video game that you never paid for....

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Someone should make a thread about Jay Walking. Colonsus and his suits can preach how sinners will go to hell and other peoeple (like myself) will say "Who gives a Sh!T".
It's not a big deal.

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Originally posted by Freddy_Kruger
"Who gives a Sh!T".

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Thats not a very positive way to look at things. ;)

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Originally posted by MrDigital
Hahaha, laws define morals. Dude, morals define LAWS. You have it backwards.

Theft has been looked down upon since the days of the cavement. Try to take another man's food or wife and get a club over the head. Same thing in the animal world where laws have never existed.

Stealing is wrong in every iota of existence and laws are based on that.

-MrD

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Stealing in nature is very common. Survival of the fitest does not come down to who steals less. You like to put your own morals on this and say it's so, but I'm sure others could force their morals down your throat and you would disagree.

Hell, the world was built on stealing going at least back to the Egyptians. It was perfectly acceptable in their eyes to conquer another nation, take the riches, and make slaves of the women and children. I can't believe I'm even saying it, but even many of the first settlers in the U.S. did not gracefully purchase land from the Native Americans. Spain funded great conquests of foreign lands in search of treasures that belonged to others and so did the French and English. Some would even say we are trying to steal oil from Iraq. I personally believe that stealing is wrong and those that do it will be punished in this life or in the next, but don't think that the majority of the world actually acts as if stealing is wrong.

Trying to imply that stealing is amoral the world over is like argueing that killing innocent people is justifiable. People seem to differ on both issues.

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Originally posted by PointlesS
discussing morals is like discussing which porn star is hotter...no one will agree on anything and you won't change anything

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Smartest statement made today.

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Originally posted by mansionman

Obviously you are unaware that a world outside your own exists, and that there are different degrees of right and wrong. So disregard everything I have said, as I am sure you already have, because it was a futile effort on my part.

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Priceless! I for one, never take Mr Digital too seriously...

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Originally posted by Freddy_Kruger
Someone should make a thread about Jay Walking. Colonsus and his suits can preach how sinners will go to hell and other peoeple (like myself) will say "Who gives a Sh!T".
It's not a big deal.

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I think some pirated loser kid needs to wake up and grow-up....

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Originally posted by Colossus
I think some pirated loser kid needs to wake up and grow-up....

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Amen. And once he does, I'd recommend getting some sort of job with enough disposable income to afford some legitimate software. I am damn tired of supporting your lazy azzes with my money.

That's right: When I buy a game, I am also financing your "pirated" pleasures. Think about that.

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Originally posted by Colossus
I think some pirated loser kid needs to wake up and grow-up....

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post number 16,920 your a post whoring clown.

https://www.sharkyforums.com/

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Originally posted by Colossus
No you dont... Pirating is two events... (or more)

1. Finding the software.
2. Downloading / Burning
3. Installing...

You can download it then delete it. Without even installing it. That wouldnt make you a pirate exactly.

You have that choice until the very end when you burn/install that game/app/movie/music/whatever.

You dont have to pirate that game, you dont have to send in that processor with the voided warranty...

Life is full of decisions, the only thing that seperates people people in jail to the ones outside. Is the law and morals.

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Piracy is one concept, it may contain multiple concepts under it. Overclocking is one concept, it contains multiple concepts. Nowhere inside the method of overclocking is it said you have to send it in after voiding the warenty and breaking it. Do we agree on that much?

Lets pose this as a question. At each of these statments ask yourself, is this overclocking

Someone runs thier chip 300mhz over the specification
Someone hits their chip with a mega-volt spike and RMA's it
Someone ruins their chip because they ran it over specificaitons and RMA's it.

There are two answers in there that are definatly not overclocking. Im at a loss as to why we are arguing over the definition of overclocking, if you disgagree with this lets go to the OC forum and ask them "what is the definition of overclocking, and does it include sending broken chips back to company that created it?"


Its like killing someong and deneying it. You can kill someone, and a good deal of people will probably deney it, but the act of killing somone is completly seperate from the act of killing.



P.S., as to the "steps" that piracy includes, take a look at def 3, "unauthorized use"
Main Entry: pi·ra·cy
Pronunciation: 'pI-r&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
Etymology: Medieval Latin piratia, from Late Greek peirateia, from Greek peiratEs pirate
1 : an act of robbery on the high seas; also : an act resembling such robbery
2 : robbery on the high seas
3 : the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright

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Originally posted by Un4given
My good man, it is EXACTLY the same thing. You buy and car and soup up the engine to make it faster, you circumvented buying the more expensive V6 or V8 engine offered by that company as an option. There is ZERO difference.

I paid for a processor that is guaranteed by the manufacturer to do 2GHz, but I managed to make it run faster. I'm simply doing something to a part I paid for legally. If I fry the chip from overclocking it, then I should buy a new chip, not RMA the part as a chip running at rated speed that failed. In that sense I am stealing because I am making the manufacturer pay for me not buying the more expensive chip to begin with. By the same token, no one is saying you can't add mods, cheats, or whatever else to the software that purchased, but at least purchase the software.

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Originally posted by Matt_E
Exactly. Software piracy and OC'ing are in no way related. I don't understand how anyone could be trying to make that point?

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They are related, however in an apstract manner. It has to due with the base reasoning as to why stealing is wrong. Its not easy or common sense idea to get, and this thread isnt suited to follow this idea very well. Its too easy to forget about that idea, or gloss over it, it would need a new thread to do it justice.

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Originally posted by Mancora
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Yes like you had said it is unauthorized used.. So just downloading it and leaving on the pc in that form is not pirating to the definition. You need to complete it by installing it.

But I am talking about morals. Just the act of downloading something doesnt necessarly mean pirating.

The same for chips and yes in those 3 scenario's ALL THREE are warranty voiders :)

But whatever.

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Originally posted by Geoffreyeolson
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Lol, :)

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Originally posted by Colossus
Yes like you had said it is unauthorized used.. So just downloading it and leaving on the pc in that form is not pirating to the definition. You need to complete it by installing it.

But I am talking about morals. Just the act of downloading something doesnt necessarly mean pirating.

The same for chips and yes in those 3 scenario's ALL THREE are warranty voiders :)

But whatever.

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*hits fist against head*

This is like talking to a brick wall, did you even read what i siad? Obvously not because you went on about how warranties are voided and completly ignored the idea that to overclock you dont have to send in your item for an RMA.

There are only two things i can figure here, you are either increadibly dense, or purposly evading the question when you may loose the argument.

Did you even read what I said????

There is still two parts to pirating, just downloading the pirated software doesnt mean you are a pirate. Using it would make you a pirate. But you seem to avoid that too...

Oh well.

edit: NM, i refuse to argue about simple definitions of words.

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Originally posted by Colossus
Did you even read what I said????

There is still two parts to pirating, just downloading the pirated software doesnt mean you are a pirate. Using it would make you a pirate. But you seem to avoid that too...

Oh well.

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tell that to the RIAA or whatever their called. All they care about is catching americans downloading/uploading, that is their definition of pirating.

...I can't believe this hasn't been locked...


Look, it's really simple. If you want to futz about with the ethics involved, knock yourself out. It's illegal to use software someone made without paying them for it, unless they've explicitly made a free/shareware license available. Oy!


"...but if I had to pay for it, I wouldn't use the program..." OK - good for you. But you're still a pirate.

"...but, but, I'm not taking any money away from then, because if I had to pay for it, I wouldn't be interested..." OK - good for you. But you're still a pirate.

"...but, but, but, they're a huge effing company with bazillions of dollars in the bank, and my not paying them for their crappy $50 software package isn't going to make any material difference to them..." OK - good for you. But you're still a pirate.

Eventually, this all boils down to "buts" and "pirates." Which, I believe, makes you all "but pirates." And/or pillow-biters. Effing tossers.

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Originally posted by gurutoo
Priceless! I for one, never take Mr Digital too seriously...

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I'm glad. Taking people seriously is what causes stress and emotional health issues.

-MrD

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Originally posted by Motoman
Eventually, this all boils down to "buts" and "pirates." Which, I believe, makes you all "but pirates." And/or pillow-biters. Effing tossers.

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HAHAHHA.. good lord if I ever thought about quoting someone in my sig, this would be the time.

/argument over, Motoman wins.

-MrD

Har Har maties, ://end rant.

ROFL@THREAD

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