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Originally Posted by linoleum

No fair, your cropped picture doesn't show off the fact that my crop still crops out a large portion of the existing map. :p

I think I still fail to see what the issue is in option #1. Unlike with some of the old updates, I don't think there is anything that can't be found somewhere in our current map. If you want to find more villagers, jungle temples, etc you just need to go farther out. And if you don't want to be carting the stuff back or walking back and forth, then just stay out wherever it is, and that'd be pretty much exactly the same as starting a new map (out in the middle of nowhere). Maybe I'm missing something, but I thought the infinite world was supposed to be one of the main features of minecraft anyway. :confused:

I'd like to add options:
5. Save the larger crop, but don't use it as the center for the new map.
6a. Save the larger crop (or more) and use it as a concurrent map on a different port.
6b. Do 6a, and make the new map completely different (e.g. creative mode, or airplane/mounts mod, and/or economy mod, and/or peaceful mode, and/or flat world, etc) to make up for losing everything.
7. Try to save all the major stuff from the current map and merge it all into a scary condensed, mish-mash area rather than keeping it all spread out (dunno what this would do to underground stuff). Or just place the features into separate random locations in the new map.
8. Move the spawn point about 5000-10000 blocks away from it's current location.

Also make sure that jtpacke, Gus, and Broo2 get to have their say, because they all have a lot of time into the current map but rarely or never post here.

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Too many options, we don't even have that many people voting. Let's condense those into 1 or 2. Also, no point in adding maps on different ports - so few people play anyway, everyone should really be on the same map.

Ok, new revised voting options.

1: Stay with existing map (limited options for resources added over past year+)
2: Scrap the entire map and start over fresh (losing all of our work would be unfortunate)
3: Save the main base, James' Tower, Jamestown, Skull Tower, Caste/city, MK Tower (some people still lose their work, kind of unfair)
4: Try to save the majority of everything we've done thus far on the map (base map is still massive, long way to travel outside it)
5: Use the larger crop and move spawn point to one of its edges - easier to access new content

There are a lot of reasons for at least cropping our current world. Too far to travel for new content, tons of biome mismatches, awkward map collisions, way too many (unorganized) portals, existing environment is missing content that has been added in patches, etc.

I vote for #3. However, my vote is probably biased since the only big thing I built was in The End, which will be lost no matter what.

I will vote for #3 too.

I'll try and fiddle with it sometime this weekend to see how hard it is. (I will obviously be doing this with a secondary instance, not the primary one.)

I vote #3 as well.

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Originally Posted by James

I will vote for #3 too.

I'll try and fiddle with it sometime this weekend to see how hard it is. (I will obviously be doing this with a secondary instance, not the primary one.)

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Let us know if, when you save the geography, it saves what's in chests as well. May need to do a fair bit of mule runs on all my chests from all over the world. :D

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Originally Posted by monroeski

I vote #3 as well.

Let us know if, when you save the geography, it saves what's in chests as well. May need to do a fair bit of mule runs on all my chests from all over the world. :D

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Will do. I will be working from one of the nightly backups for the testing, so it will be from midnight on whatever day.

I was initially just thinking about regular chests but I guess you'd have to check the ender chests separately since they work differently.

We have a new player. Powercreep's son will be joining us on the server.

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Originally Posted by James

We have a new player. Powercreep's son will be joining us on the server.

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Fresh meat! :mad:

JK. Welcome! Always great to have more players involved.

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Originally Posted by James

We have a new player. Powercreep's son will be joining us on the server.

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Cool!

Were you able to play around with MCEdit (or another utility) at all? I don't know what functionality it allows - whether it's just basic cropping based on 4 coordinates, or if it allows more chunks to be kind of "pasted" together like Dej requested.

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Originally Posted by Rush

Cool!

Were you able to play around with MCEdit (or another utility) at all? I don't know what functionality it allows - whether it's just basic cropping based on 4 coordinates, or if it allows more chunks to be kind of "pasted" together like Dej requested.

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I did not. Sorry. I played Recettear this weekend and spent a lot of time outside. It was the first day of "fall" in my mind (cool and low humidity) yesterday and I went out and enjoyed it. I'll give a swing this week when I'm home in the evenings though.

I don't post much as I play at odd times. It is your guys server and I am a guest. Do as you please I can start over, but if you dump all a heads up on board would be nice. School has started for the fall and I will be busy with little time to play now but will try to check form as often as I can and see what happens. I like this server everyone is helpful to others that I have meet and would like to stay on it. JPacke

Any update? I log on the Sharky server here and there but haven't seen anyone at all on lately.

To anyone still interested in MC - you should really check out the MineZ mod - it is a LOT of fun. It's a server-side mod, so you don't have to download/install anything on your machine. The developers even host it on public servers.

Info: http://imgur.com/a/a0mV1
Official Site: http://minez.net/

Just a warning though - you'll run across a lot of players who will try to pk you in addition to packs of fast-moving zombies. It's a good idea to find a town near your spawn, grab what you need, and head north. Friends help too - I run with a few people, and once we group up, for the most part no one messes with us. I can't recommend this mod highly enough... it's tough getting past the initial part, but once you do, exploring is a lot of fun in this huge custom world.

I haven't been playing much. I've downloaded mcedit, but haven't spent almost any time with it. I'll try tonight and see what I can find.

Everyone seriously needs to try out MineZ - too much fun. Am playing with a couple of friends now.

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Originally Posted by Rush

Any update? I log on the Sharky server here and there but haven't seen anyone at all on lately.

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I quit playing because there is no point in continuing work on my village if it's all just gonna be reset by the vocal minority anyway. :p

Vocal minority? I counted 3 votes so far. Add my vote to that, and De4estation and Gus4NYR (voted #3 - would be happy to get them to post here), and that's 6. With so few people on the server, what would constitute a majority?


Edit - if it's going to cause people to quit, I suppose we should just forget the map thing. I thought it would be awesome to have a "fresh" map with the new content to work with.

As someone who likes to play Minecraft as a survival game, MineZ looks pretty awesome.

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Originally Posted by linoleum

I quit playing because there is no point in continuing work on my village if it's all just gonna be reset by the vocal minority anyway. :p

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I guess I should login and check out the village. I haven't been in the minecraft server in a few weeks. And starting Wednesday, it will be even longer. (Borderlands2 launches.) I am actually OK with our current map. I am also interested in seeing what's new out there.

What it really comes down to is that I love coming back to minecraft after a spell of not having played it. But it is not my primary game at any given time.

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Originally Posted by Rush

Vocal minority?

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People who log in less than me. ;)

I spent a whole lot of time in August/early September farming way more cane than I'll ever need (for the paper->emeralds villager trade) and expanding one of our villages which actually has villagers in it...flattening the land, building a big glass wall, adding new houses, adding an observation deck on the mountain above, etc. This also includes building (and using :p) about a 3000 block long tunnel* to it from main base during the period when the nether portals didn't work.

Then one day when I was about halfway through adding the houses into my expanded-village area, I logged in here to find people talking about a new map and (according to post on 9/7) James agreeing with it. It sounded imminent, so I didn't feel like putting any more effort into the village.

All those 12 doublechests full of paper and whole sets of max-enchanted diamond tools and 30 stacks of emeralds will go to waste. :eek:

tl;dr: If we keep the map, I'll finish the village; if we switch maps I'll be annoyed but probably play anyway; if it's in question, I'll stay away.

*for those unfamiliar with minecraft distances, if you use an "8 minute speed potion" it pretty much takes the full 8 minutes to run from one end to the other...or longer without the potion...just ask Monroeski :D

So, not a minority at all. ;) I mean, plenty of us would be losing work. I personally would lose over 50% of what I've worked on. You might hate losing anything at all, but many people feel that giving up some work is worth gaining a map with more possibilities.

And you could easily move those resources into the proposed saved space via rail and chest carts. Even the villagers could be sent via cart. The distance is comparable to the rail Gus and I built in short order in the nether, and I'd be happy to build such a rail for us all to move resources from the remote town. I have a bunch of paper too, from building the 100% automated cane farm up on the hill.

Honestly, I don't care anymore. If I feel like getting on to adventure again at some point, I'll just make the ridiculous trip out to new content. Or start a single player map. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Kamakazie

As someone who likes to play Minecraft as a survival game, MineZ looks pretty awesome.

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Yeah, as long as you don't mind a high degree of danger and risk, it's great. The game can be brutal. Last night, I was adventuring with 2 friends, and we went to a city pretty far north called Grayvale. There was one guy there, and he asked to team with us. Next thing you know he takes out one of us. We managed to kill him, but our buddy has to start all over again at the beginning of the map.

Brutal, but lots of fun. And I had some choice words for that guy after killing him. :D

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Originally Posted by Rush

I mean, plenty of us would be losing work.

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We've changed maps before. It's not so much about the loss of work as the loss of a specific, big work-in-progress.

In general, the longer it has been since I built something, the less I care about it, so now that I haven't played in a week in a half I say let's just start a brand new map altogether. :p

Here's what I'd do:
- keep the tower, partly because of the time invested in it, but also because it encompasses a single rectangular prism from bedrock to the sky, so it should be incredibly easy to cut and drop it anywhere in the new map without worrying about how it matches up to the land around/under/above it (unless you drop it in the ocean, or next to lava...)
- put all the storage chests to keep in the tower before the move; that'll provide an actual use for the tower after the move as well, with each person taking a floor (or two, or probably ten considering the floor-to-user-ratio) as James intended
- wait until we've expanded out too far again before moving anything else; then when no one really cares about what happens to the far outer map again, start dropping in stuff (main base, jamestown, skull tower, etc) out there from the current (or older) maps so we can revisit them :D

I like the main base, but it has its issues (that one spot that gets really laggy when it rains, the tunnels which will go to nowhere, etc); and I like Jamestown, but we can always build New Jamestown which actually has villagers; and I like the skull, but Rush is gonna help rebuild anything we ask for.... ;)

My son is playing on the server now occasionally. I think I'll have him make a Sharky account so he can participate in your Mine-speak because I have no idea about any of it. I just know when I see him play - he's usually running for his life because I've instructed him to find a desolate area and not tear up anyone elses stuff. So he doesn't mine anything. I think the main thing he needs to know is - is there a way to fast travel or locate specific areas (such as Jamestown). He's always around this one large house? or whatever with an orange wall outside of it.

Yeah....I think he needs to make an account on here.

Most likely this: http://darksavior.net/~minecraft/#/165/64/190/-1/0/0

I don't remember who built the house, but the pumpkin-face-wall was me.

I'm waiting for "real" mounts and/or vehicles to be added. Once we have those, I shall return.