Maybe off topic but involves music

I’m sorry to toss a wrench in your analogy but NOT they are NOT allowed to destroy anything that you have or not have the rights too. The police is a stupid example, because they were given that power by the government for enforce local laws. The RIAA has no such power. That is why they have gone to the courts. They realize they do not have the power to do that.

I remember another company wanted to do the same thing as RIAA, but there name escapes me right now. Well let’s just say they had to file for bankruptcy due to there 200 million dollar lawsuit that was award to the victims of what they had done. However this was a few years ago. The courts demand that they had no right to govern and take things into there own hands. They acted like a bounty hunter, but not within the confines of the law.

So if I am a painter and a studio was selling my work without my permission, that gives me a right to go in there and burn the place down? Hell No! It doesn’t matter what illegal activities the criminals are doing, The victims have no right to take the law into there own hands. It’s very simple :)

Well, me personally, I'm still sticking to the fact that the RIAA (and all artists involved) are greedy. Not you're taking someone's money, etc, etc, it's just greed.

You don't hear much from other countries fighting p2p (I know, I've been to a lot of places). Perfect example: Japan. You go to a music rental store in Japan, and at the counter they ask you if you want to buy a blank CD/MD to copy it. And unless you've been there, you don't see that they copy and rip WAY more than the US. It's a common thing there. Yet, the artists make money, and do not complain that they're "losing money" (i.e., just not making as much). If they really didn't like it, that policy at the rental stores would stop. And that's probably (just my guess) half of their money.

I think the RIAA and all artists involved have taken their fame and glory for granted and got too greedy.

Just because the RIAA management can only afford to have gold forks, spoons, knives, facuets in only 2/3 of there home, doesnt mean they are losing money :)

They are making out very well but not as well. I wonder why? I dont blame P2P for it. I serious doubt P2P can even make that large of a dent into the profit of album sales.

I think the management of the RIAA are liars and are stealing money from there own company and blame it on poor album sales :) therefor giving less to the artist

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Originally posted by Colossus
I’m sorry to toss a wrench in your analogy but NOT they are NOT allowed to destroy anything that you have or not have the rights too. The police is a stupid example, because they were given that power by the government for enforce local laws. The RIAA has no such power. That is why they have gone to the courts. They realize they do not have the power to do that.

I remember another company wanted to do the same thing as RIAA, but there name escapes me right now. Well let’s just say they had to file for bankruptcy due to there 200 million dollar lawsuit that was award to the victims of what they had done. However this was a few years ago. The courts demand that they had no right to govern and take things into there own hands. They acted like a bounty hunter, but not within the confines of the law.

So if I am a painter and a studio was selling my work without my permission, that gives me a right to go in there and burn the place down? Hell No! It doesn’t matter what illegal activities the criminals are doing, The victims have no right to take the law into there own hands. It’s very simple :)

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Wow...way to draw conclusions that are completely wrong.

Where exactly did I state that the RIAA didnt have to file for a warrant to search your residence for material violating copyrights?

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Originally posted by Colossus
I’m sorry to toss a wrench in your analogy but NOT they are NOT allowed to destroy anything that you have or not have the rights too. The police is a stupid example, because they were given that power by the government for enforce local laws. The RIAA has no such power. That is why they have gone to the courts. They realize they do not have the power to do that.

I remember another company wanted to do the same thing as RIAA, but there name escapes me right now. Well let’s just say they had to file for bankruptcy due to there 200 million dollar lawsuit that was award to the victims of what they had done. However this was a few years ago. The courts demand that they had no right to govern and take things into there own hands. They acted like a bounty hunter, but not within the confines of the law.

So if I am a painter and a studio was selling my work without my permission, that gives me a right to go in there and burn the place down? Hell No! It doesn’t matter what illegal activities the criminals are doing, The victims have no right to take the law into there own hands. It’s very simple :)

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That may not be the case as of right now, but you know as well as I do that given a couple more terrorist attacks and some more RIAA lawsuits, personal privacy and probable cause are going to become archaic concepts. I'd give it a year before the government allows the RIAA to search the hard drive of anyone that they want for pirated files, and I'd be really surprised if the FBI and CIA don't already do that.

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Now Can the copyright holder destroy all unauthorizied reproductions of his work, Yes he can, almost with out impunity.
The same way that the police can enter your house with a warrant to sieze your Marijuanna plants. And destroy your Meth lab and confinscate all your unprocessed Heroine, even if those werent specifically on the warrant.

All illegal activities you willingly perform, you perform at the risk of being caught and subsequently being prosecuted. To people who care enough, not even the internet is vague enough to save you.

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THEY DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITYOF THE GOVERMENT TO DO THAT! plan and simple, nor will the government allow that to ever happen.

Im not wrong, You are so wrong, Im sorry to say!

I didn't read all 8 pages of posts and I'm not sure how this will fit in. If you don't like it just ignore it I guess. :)

It seems like a few people here basically believe in moral relativism. It is ethically and morally wrong to steal $1,000.00. It is just as ethically and morally wrong to steal 1 penny. The consequences for the two crimes will be different according to the laws we live under but that doesn't change the immorality of the act. Just as you are breaking the law when breaking the speed limit by 15 mph, the law is just as broken when speeding 1 mph over the speed limit. IMHO!

Personally, I think the whole recording industry needs to change in it's format. It is resisting the change to the "digital age" of "free information". I don't like the idea of paying $20 for a cd yet I have several dozen and will continue to buy more. I would love to be able to download cd quality music at a reasonable price and see the artists make some money. Perhaps artists could promote themselves and pump out low quality (read bitrate)mp3s for people to sample and then if people like the songs they could purchase high quality versions directly from the artists. I realize that right now there is nothing to stop people from turning around sharing those high quality versions but perhaps someday there will be a system that is more fair to the artists and users. Until then I believe downloading the songs of artists who don't want you to have the songs is stealing. I don't believe there is any justification for stealing music for any reason. I'm not entitled to something just because I can get it for free through the internet. I am not entitled to pay less for cds just because I think they cost to much. I think new cars cost too much for what the average joe makes but that doesn't mean I deserve to pay less or nothing at all. If any one has any comments directed to this post... remember all of this is written IMHO! I may be wrong and you may be right so don't torch me if you disagree. :) I am curious if anyone agrees with this viewpoint or any parts of it.

Myself, I think it would be nice if the artists could record and sell mp3's directly through file sharing software. Think of how much cheaper this could be and probably make the artist even more money. You say they only end up with about a dollar per cd. Ok so say they set up file sharing with their music and sell their music directly for like three dollars. You cut out the middle guy. Its like buying a house. You get a much better deal if you find a direct seller then going through a realestate agent buy not having to pay the extra cost that the agent requires to do the selling. By doing this we eliminate the cost of producing the cd by us actually making it. How bout we make it and patent it now so no one can steal it.:D :D

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Originally posted by Colossus


THEY DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITYOF THE GOVERMENT TO DO THAT! plan and simple, nor will the government allow that to ever happen.

Im not wrong, You are so wrong, Im sorry to say!

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By authority of their holding the copyright are they entitled to seek the confiscation and destruction of anything and everything that violates their copyright. They still have the burden of proof, but they are also entitled to destroy it.

YES, I don’t disagree that they are entitled to destroy what have a right to own. But they have to do it within the law. That is file a lawsuit against the person they want the MP3 removed from. Now I don’t know about you, I don’t think the government would want to have thousands of petitions filed against various defendants.

I sell this software that requires you to sign a contract stating that if we discover any extra installation of said software. We observe the right to enter your premises and destroy all data / software for the illegal installation (and any backup media) if you do not agree we do not sell it to you :)

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Originally posted by Colossus


THEY DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITYOF THE GOVERMENT TO DO THAT! plan and simple, nor will the government allow that to ever happen.

Im not wrong, You are so wrong, Im sorry to say!

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I don't know what country you live in, but I'll assume (because of your additude towards privacy) that it's the United States. You may think that the government is perfect and cares about human rights and would never allow an illegal search and seisure or violation of privacy. Good for you. You're wrong. I'm not saying that it's right, but the more our government can make people fear terrorism, the more we lose control of our civil liberties. They're already talking about violating constitutional rights in airports in the interest of heightened security, and the internet is probably next. And hell, if they're going to allow the FBI to search your computer for incriminating evidence that you're a terrorist, why not let the police look for child pornography and copyrighted files too? The republicans already have a majority in both the house and senate. All it takes is one or two bills passed into law, and the privacy and liberties that you think are set in stone are going to be nothing but a pipe dream. I'm not wrong. Read the writing on the wall.

Yes but you also forget that the people have the power to overturn what is not right. We have done it in the past and no I do not show a blindside when it comes to the government.

HOWEVER, they can search your computers and start arresting you for various charges but they wont. Unless the data that you have is that illegal. I should know it had happened to me :)
I had 4 local police officers search all my computers about two years ago, trying to find something to arrest me on besides the original charge. They saw I had illegal software, my massive MP3 collection and some small amount of porn (not children porn) and they just didn’t care. Its the world we live in. They even told me they had bigger fish to try. They looked for children porn and the rest was all BS. They didn’t find any so they were done. (PS a lot of the information was left out on purpose).

There is nothing wrong with them searching you or your luggage on the airlines. I am all for it. There should be nothing on you that you want to hide from them. If that is so, then don’t fly. Searching your being for explosives, weapons, etc is not violating your rights. You don’t even have to allow them to search you. Just don’t fly.

I know we have little to none privacy when it comes to the internet. The government has numerous program that search for keywords in emails and websites looking for terrorist information or other vital homeland threats. That doesn’t bother me either, I deal with terrorists.

I still say you are wrong, The government/ other public pointed officials will not allow illegal search and seizures. (Not unless they don’t care to be elected again)

Colossus, you of all people should know that the people that are using this file sharing systems either are not of voting age, or have the LOWEST voter turn out of all the age groups.

The people that will be most affected by the actions of our elected officals are the ones that dont speak up about it. RIAA can buy votes in our republic, and tell the majority of their constituents that its "okay" because they are trying to stop bad bad people.