No, not yet. It's early still. You're talking about an OS that's not even out of codename yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mancora
Wait until it's released. Then ask them. See how pissed off they are. Do you think anyone knew what an "RIAA" was until the Napster thing? Not a chance.
-MrD
Problem is you're being distracted and focusing on the non-issue -- I'll say it once again - read my previous posts - it's all about advertising to the masses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idiot356
Think about not being able to control the output of "your" media - and not being even able to control the playback
That is entirely hypocritical and contradictary to what DRM/DMCA stands for - you will NOT be able to do this...negating hardware circumvention of some sort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Idiot356
After you figure out how the pressed CDs that you bought and paid for suffer from CD pitting/rotting - well then no thanks, unless I can make copies - those cheap crap bastards can shove it.
Besides;
Yes - ofcourse music, movies/tv and media is entirely "subjective" ...but when the profit motive outweighs the desire to create b/c one's alternative is to be miserable ("have to / neeed to create") - then a line's been crossed.
Unfortunately there's much more "made-for-fame" artists (ppl with $$ having profiteering motives only - and they can afford to BUY their voice and megaphone) than artists who've "risen" to fame from the actual creation of something wonderful and unique, as was the way of the 60's. If you know anything about the business - it all started in the early-mid 70's
I'm afraid certain ppl don't understand what "drives" the industry. It certainly isn't creativity -- and I don't care if YOU or anybody ELSE buys/listens to what I consider garbage (and listen/watch in the Privay of your own surroundings)
- but when OTHER ppl's choice/s Drives an Industry to distribute even MORE garbage and force ALL of us to partake in cattle-tagging, and institutes/forces upon us all a system that completely will affect how I can buy/listen to my choices and HOW I enjoy MY choices -- well then I'm concerned about what the FatCats are up to
......and b/c most American kiddies have learned the mine/mine/mine - now/now/now mindset from peers/tv/family/culture/society - and a "Me 1st" attitude ...well it's the Industry's own fault for promoting those values in the 1st place, and consistency is the KEY to brainwashing - and now the Industry wants ME to pay for it - um NO!!
Homey don't play that!
Here is an excellent alternative to DRM;
http://creativecommons.org/
True that - ignorance is bliss and besides it supports hidden agendas of those who make the rulesQuote:
Originally Posted by Mancora
I always thought that HDCP was to stay out of the PC world. The last thing that the entertainment industy wanted was their precious copy protection standard being exposed to every hacker in the world. See if they keep it in TVs and on proprietary hardware it is hard to bust, if it moves to PCs it becomes just 'slightly' more vulnderable.
The way I see it, good. If they are going to pull this, might as well give the little guy a chance to break it on both ends.
hey, that what i was wondering, i mean they have hacked the psp, all dvd encryptions, and this is probably going to be broken in about 36 hours (im calling it now :D)
Thats the thing, did you read about trusted computing? Its a fairly effective system based on the hardware level.Quote:
Originally Posted by irwincur
[QUOTE=I4one]Problem is you're being distracted and focusing on the non-issue -- I'll say it once again - read my previous posts - it's all about advertising to the masses.
Think about not being able to control the output of "your" media - and not being even able to control the playback
That is entirely hypocritical and contradictary to what DRM/DMCA stands for - you will NOT be able to do this...negating hardware circumvention of some sort.
After you figure out how the pressed CDs that you bought and paid for suffer from CD pitting/rotting - well then no thanks, unless I can make copies - those cheap crap bastards can shove it.
Besides;
Yes - ofcourse music, movies/tv and media is entirely "subjective" ...but when the profit motive outweighs the desire to create b/c one's alternative is to be miserable ("have to / neeed to create") - then a line's been crossed.
Unfortunately there's much more "made-for-fame" artists (ppl with $$ having profiteering motives only - and they can afford to BUY their voice and megaphone) than artists who've "risen" to fame from the actual creation of something wonderful and unique, as was the way of the 60's. If you know anything about the business - it all started in the early-mid 70's
I'm afraid certain ppl don't understand what "drives" the industry. It certainly isn't creativity -- and I don't care if YOU or anybody ELSE buys/listens to what I consider garbage (and listen/watch in the Privay of your own surroundings)
- but when OTHER ppl's choice/s Drives an Industry to distribute even MORE garbage and force ALL of us to partake in cattle-tagging, and institutes/forces upon us all a system that completely will affect how I can buy/listen to my choices and HOW I enjoy MY choices -- well then I'm concerned about what the FatCats are up to
......and b/c most American kiddies have learned the mine/mine/mine - now/now/now mindset from peers/tv/family/culture/society - and a "Me 1st" attitude ...well it's the Industry's own fault for promoting those values in the 1st place, and consistency is the KEY to brainwashing - and now the Industry wants ME to pay for it - um NO!!
Homey don't play that!
Here is an excellent alternative to DRM;
http://creativecommons.org/[/QUOTE
There is no denying that there is a me first attitude instant gratification society at hand.
But where there is entertainment, there is someone trying to make money. It didn't just start in the 70's. it's been going on forever. The only thing is that it is more elevated because of TV and advertisment nowadays. Want a good example, The Monkeys in the 60s, they were nothing more than a made up bull crap band. Since the inception of making money off of entertainment, there has been made up, fake, and forced artist.
People are in this business to make money, even the artist want to make money no matter what they tell you. They wouldn't work so hard to get where they were at to not want to make money. I've been a musician for years, and I know I want to make money in this business, and plenty of it if I can.
No one is forcing you to buy anything. What is so wrong with buying a song that you enjoy off of iTunes? It has DRM, but you can burn it, ripp it again, and do whatever you want. Don't tell me there is nothing you like on iTunes, because despite what you think there are plenty of quality musical acts out there that are not that hard find.
I am not saying that most of public aren't tools, caue they really are. But I haven't had a hard time filitering the crap, and getting to the good stuff, DRM or not, MTV or not.
Do what I do, buy CDs.
The bottom line is, users shouldn't have free rain over media, but they also shouldn't be limitless (and DRM isn't a limitless thing). And despite what people think, people who are just outside looking in, the entertainment industry does loose money on pirating. Just like a store owner looses money on theft, they install security devices, such as the little meters that go off, the protective plastic on the DVD cases, and the embeded secuirty chip inside the case. That's all DRM is, and if it stops a few people from stealing music, or movies then it's done it's job. Just like how those things in the store might stop a few people, there will still be people that get away with it.
I've already got it. It's called "On Demand" and works just fine in 1080iQuote:
Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
http://www.comcast-ne.com/vod.html
And I watch it on my 55" rather than on my computer. So why would I want streaming on the PC? And why should the copy protection schemes of the MPAA obsolete my monitor or video card?
Haha M$ ! Just more crap from them... I'm keeping with XP until my PC dies. And probably switching to something else, if I can be bothered to learn how to use Linux or whatever.
People need to push Linux more, but then again if your media needs special hardware to be viewd AS it was intended... then we're all foktop... :mad:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce255
I'ts not making your monitor obsolete. You just said you don't need to watch that content on your PC cause you have your 55" so it won't affect you.
Again people, it only makes your monitor obsolete if you want to watch something that the owner wants protected. It's the owners choice. Your monitor will work with EVERYTHING, just not with content owned by someone who requires a higher security policy.
Lets see who can get it now. It's not that hard folks, come on.
See, even you screwed up :p
It works with everything, even the premuim content, just they decrease the size and enlarge the image before displaying it thus making it fuzzy.
Who's the owner ?Quote:
Originally Posted by vertices
that's the real question
When I pay $$ for an inanimate object -- guess what -- I own her @$$ :p
really though - think about it. The media I purchase is MY PROPERTY
Where do you get that idea? Why would it be your property? If someone sings you a song, does it become YOUR song? Of course not. If you go to the movie theater and watch a movie does it become YOUR movie? Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by I4one
If you buy a DVD with a movie on it, for instance, only the DVD is yours. The content is not. If you want to destroy the disc or donate it to the goodwill or use it as a signalling device in case you get lost in the woods, you have all rights to do it.
You never will and never have owned the content on the disc.
-MrD
Quote:
Originally Posted by I4one
Not necessarily. Depends on the agreement you made with the owner. If the owner says you can buy it, but you can't copy it, or duplicate it, and you can't alter it in any way shape or form, then you can't.
You don't OWN something, you OWN the right to use it in the way that the content owner lets you.
Edit~~~Damn MrD beat me to it. :)