peter king of si claims michael bush will get a rushing title if they shore up the o-line a little, he says he's that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindwarper
Raiders steal him.
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peter king of si claims michael bush will get a rushing title if they shore up the o-line a little, he says he's that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mindwarper
Raiders steal him.
yea I saw that. I don't know. Every year someone says the cardinals are going to the playoffs. Who knows. Thats whats great about the NFL.
Everyone said he's easily a first round talent if he's healthy, but I don't think he was even able to have a pro day or anything like that. A couple weeks before the draft, he sent out a DVD of himself doing some exercises and such, but no one had even seen him work out in person, so he was a big risk. I personally wouldn't trust him behind the Raider's O-line, but if he had been available late 3rd or early 4th, I would probably have taken him if I was on a team.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
And every year I lawl.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi
Az has a ways to go to be able to run with Seattle, and SF might be the most improved team in the nfc. The niners will be surprising some people.
Yea... no kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
The biggest problem with the Cards is that they have an owenr who refuses to spend money.
Year in and year out they are well below the cap. Until that philosophy changes, it'll be the same ole same ole.
That being said, I have noticed a few things:
1. The Cardinals have spent some money recently on high profile players. Edgarin James comes to mind. While this may well be an isolated incident that isn't indicative on how they spend money on the WHOLE team, I do think that it's an anomolly from past behaviour (i.e. they were cheap with EVERYONE).
2. The Cards do have some making of a team on the rise. I think their pick of Leihart was brilliant. The Raiders should have made that pick last year instead of Huff at FS. They have brilliance at the WR position. And it looks like they mayu have been addressing the O Line (which was probably the single biggest weakness on their offense). So I think that for the first time in a long time that there is potential for them. I think that they have a number of players who are the real deal.
The biggest laugh in recent Cardinal memory was when Jake Plummer became their starting QB... and people were making the comparison to Joe Montana based off his #16. That was just sheer idiocy.
The Cards suck. Ive never heard of them being good. **** Jake Plummer.
I'm glad I jumped on the Niner's bandwagon before the 2006 season started. I have a feeling that they're going to be the chic pick to be a "surprise team" this year, so I should be ahead of the curve on this one. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
it's the "new" effect... SD did it with ryan leaf, his jerseys flew out of stores... giants did it with Eli, now the browns are doing it with quinn... oh and the raiders with russell....
I agree with you... but only to a point.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
Ryan Leaf was a failure... no question about it. The jury is still out on Eli... but he has shown some level of sucess. Quinn and Russell nobody knows for sure... but given the failure rate of drafted QBs... in all probability they will fail.
And even then... there is something to be said about the team or the system that you're in.
Vinny Testaverde looed like the worst QB ever in TB. But the moment he got to at least a decent team in the Browns he looked at least respectable. And he turned out a decent career out of things. For example, the Redskins won a Super Bowl with Mark Rypien at the helm... a one armed chimp could have guided that team to the Super Bowl.
With the Cards, I really do think that there is some good reason for optimism... Leinhart had a pretty good season actually for a rookie QB behind an awful offensive line. I think that there is hope for him. That being said, it has a lot to do with the team and the system as well. If the Cards never get a decent offensive line, Leinhart will never be Joe Montana.
A player is influenced by his environment.
doesn't have anything to do with them being bad, busts, or good.
people worship the new QB like he is the second coming regardless... they are fools, then they get mad when their picture shows up on the internet of them wearing a ryan leaf jersey giving a thumbs up sign.
quinn should be decent, russell? i don't know... he leapfrogged everyone after the sugar bowl and came out of nowhere - he might be warren moon, or doug williams.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
For some reason I thought that you were comparing a guy like Leaf with a guy like Eli Manning.
Yea... fans get excited about QBs taken #1. But they should temper their excitement... because for every 1 that turns out it seems like there are 9 who are not playing in the league within 4 years.
Every player drafted is a risk. Even the ones that are deemed sure hits. I seem to remember a ton of hype around Tony Mandarich when he was drafted at #3 overall. Was hyped as a "can't miss" prospect.
But I think there are more QBs that end up as failures than any other single position. Getting a good QB is a longshot at best.
Yeah, like Tim Couch--the ultimate qb bust. Akili Smith has to be up there as well.
Maybe that's why the Brownies choose the tackle first. When Miami passed on Brady Quinn they decided to give it a shot. The Tim Couch era probably still haunts them.
the browns still gave up a first round next year for quinnQuote:
Originally Posted by gkline
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by r'aggro
I heard recently that Akili Smith was trying out for the Calgary Stampeders in the CFL. Hard times...
Sometimes I wonder whether you can even call some QBs a "bust".
Confidence is such a big part of the game. Good players out of college have an abundance of it. And yet when they hit the NFL, it's a whole new ballgame. Maybe for a QB it's the most noticeable difference... things move a LOT faster.
And so when a star college QB gets drafted high in the NFL, it usually means that he gets stuck on a crappy team with little support around him. No offensive line, recievers who can't get open, no running game (i.e. teams stack up vs. the pass), and chronically playing from behind because of a bad defense.
It's really a formula for a shattered ego.
People see this highly drafted QB coming in, and the expectations are that the stud QB is instantly going to singlehandedly turn the team around. Bad expectations.
Football maybe more than any other major sport is a team game. One missed block and your QB can be taken out for the year. One slip by a DB and the other team wins. One wrong pattern by a WR, the QB throws the ball to a spot and its intercepted easily. One missed snap from center...
In the NFL, nobody wins without a decent team around them.
Look at Barry Sanders.
And of course when it more likely than often doesn't happen that way, the QBs confidence gets destroyed.
Once the confidence is gone, it's hard to get back again.
Would have Brett Favre been the player that he is now had he been on the Atalanta Falcons for a few more years (when Atlanta and Green Bay were headed in two different directions)?
I for one am really for not throwing a QB to the wolves in their first year. Bring in some vet and let the QB learn the ropes for a year or two.
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Originally Posted by Spank_Me_Hard
and this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Marinovich
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Originally Posted by vairox
Oh man, I remember him at SC. I am getting old
Spank I agree with you, the worst teams get the early picks but you can't do anything about it unfortunetly. I mean, a lot of the time it's the coach's fault looking for a qb that can start immediately and not developing them. It really is a crap shoot since if you're picking a qb that high you are desperate and you need to start them the next season.
Yea... I understand that. And it will continue to be the way that it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by PriMaTe
But I think that QBs sometimes end up being "busts" for different reasons that other positions do.
A poor offensive tackle on a bad team can still do his job... a QB can't. And once a QB loses his confidence, it's pretty much over. I think that the position is the most mental position in the game... by far. There are plenty of QBs who have less than appealing physical skills (i.e. Joe Montana) but can still dominate.
Even Todd Marinovich showed some flashes of potential in his rookie season... it's been a while, but I seem to remember him finishing out his rookie season starting and getting a few wins.
And then of course the next season he blew chunks.
But I think that Marinovich was obviously doomed for failure... the reason being that he liked smoking pot more than football. You can't win in the NFL with that lack of dedication at the QB position.
can we assume jamarcus will have 99 power and 99 accuracy in madden?
That would be annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by vairox
Am I the only pathetic puddle of NFL fanaticism that is following voluntary mini camps?
Haven't checked much yet, but I will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi
They on the NFL channel, Everytime i flip through my guide all I see on the NFL channel is NFL football follies.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi
I don't follow them closely, but when you have shockey and burress in miami i pay attention to see when they come up for camp. They need to work with eli throwing to them to get in sync. Eli has actually asked them to come up to work with him. Burress said he's coming up, no word from shockey.Quote:
Originally Posted by spamjedi