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I am probably going to go with the Gigabyte 8IRXP and a P4 1.6A but I am concerned that I may not be able to run it at 133 Mhz. Has anyone heard of this chip NOT hitting those speeds?
I don't want to spend money on it if I cannot overclock it up. As I cannot afford a P4 2.0A. If it doesn't work out that I am pretty much gauranteed, I'll just go GA-7VRXP and Athlon XP 1700+..
Please let me know, I have to allocate this $800 VERY wisely.
I don't know about the Gigabyte but you ought to try the Epox4SDA+ or the MSI 645 Ultra. With that you're pretty much guaranteed 133FSB if not 140+.
I know the motherboard can handle the FSB, I just want to make sure that any 1.6A is capable of 133 FSB. Are there any bad batches to be aware of? Or are they just perfect?Quote:
Originally posted by Indus
I don't know about the Gigabyte but you ought to try the Epox4SDA+ or the MSI 645 Ultra. With that you're pretty much guaranteed 133FSB if not 140+.
I don't think anything is guaranteed. But mobo and cooling would be the most important factors. Some ppl said they are getting over 2.0.
The first cardinal rule of o/c is that nothing is guaranteed.
So true, The 1.6a's are the leading overclocker's right now or so I believe. Im not much of an intel guy, but I though there were along with the 1.8a's?Quote:
Originally posted by Un4given
The first cardinal rule of o/c is that nothing is guaranteed.
All the Northwoods overclock extremely high. Infact one guy on SF, had a 2.2 NW, and got it to 3.8! :eek: Just shows u how far u can go. even if it is with water cooling.Quote:
Originally posted by -Justin-
So true, The 1.6a's are the leading overclocker's right now or so I believe. Im not much of an intel guy, but I though there were along with the 1.8a's?
Like I said, the first rule of o/c is that there is no guarantee because there are always other factors involved.
1. As the manufacturers processes become better, they usually get more high speed chips than they require, and these are frequently binned down to slower speeds to meet demand. However, not all chips in a particular bin group made speeds that far in excess of that for which it was binned.
2. Motherboards, like CPUs, may not o/c as well from board to board as there can be variations in the board making process, as well as the quality of the board chipset and other components.
3. The RAM modules in use may not tolerate out of spec speeds required for higher o/c, even if the rest of the system is capable.
4. PCI and AGP speeds start going out of spec, thus bringing any of the peripheral devices installed in your system into the equation of just how high you will get.
With a little research and careful selection you can try and minize these factors, but you will never eliminate them. That is why there is no absolutely no guarantees when o/c.
Please listen to Un4given! Too many people are taking stock in the overclockability of the Northwood cores, and if you're only buying a chip for an overclocked speed, you might be SEVERELY let down.
Who did ?? Not on aircooling they couldnt of ...Quote:
Originally posted by TheUltimateNewbie
All the Northwoods overclock extremely high. Infact one guy on SF, had a 2.2 NW, and got it to 3.8! :eek: Just shows u how far u can go. even if it is with water cooling.
And nobody on SF's did that I belive ;)
Yes I agree with him. There is nothing gauranteed for sure, but has anyone heard of someone NOT hitting at least 2 Ghz with this chip?Quote:
Originally posted by iblis9899
Please listen to Un4given! Too many people are taking stock in the overclockability of the Northwood cores, and if you're only buying a chip for an overclocked speed, you might be SEVERELY let down.
The motherboard and RAM can handle the speed, so is there such thing as a bad 1.6A? I really don't think so, and I sure hope not!
Why else would I buy a P4?? :DQuote:
Originally posted by iblis9899
"if you're only buying a chip for an overclocked speed, you might be SEVERELY let down."
Thats true :pQuote:
Originally posted by gotmonopoly?
Why else would I buy a P4?? :D
Heh :).Quote:
Originally posted by cocacola155
Thats true :p
The only thing you'll be guaranteed for is 1.6ghz or something very clsoe to it.
"The first cardinal rule of o/c is that nothing is guaranteed."
Yep, I bought a couple of PentiumIII E chips figuring I'd hit those glorious 155-166 FSBs. Well the 850E I bought only does 124 FSB for 1055 mhz on air cooling, not bad actually. A couple of guys in the Overclockers.com database need water cooling or Peltiers to hit this. But geez, there are a couple of guys who get 133 FSB with the same stepping.
And shoot, I could have bought a PentiumIII 1000EB and get 133 FSB guaranteed!
So be wary of 100 FSB CPUs, you could get a lemon and be real disappointed.
well, as has been said before, there's no such thing as a guarantee, but chances are good. very very good. if you're interested in a rambus setup (and i think you should be if you're going to OC a P4) then look into the Abit TH7-II or Asus P4T-E. very good overclockers. i got the abit originally, but i got a defective board, and so i got the asus only because i was able to find it locally. the abit's a bit better because the asus stops you at 133 mhz fsb. but then again, i think they do that to make sure it's stable.
good luck.
When it comes to the 1.6A Northwood, I'm going to have to go with, "It's guaranteed", to run at or above 2GHz... Almost every single of these suckers that have been put out have gotten that high, and much higher might I add.
Besides this processor, it's all up to the motherboard, RAM, and cooling that depends on how high you can get it.
Where did you hear that from??? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by Immortal LuD
When it comes to the 1.6A Northwood, I'm going to have to go with, "It's guaranteed", to run at or above 2GHz... Almost every single of these suckers that have been put out have gotten that high, and much higher might I add.
Besides this processor, it's all up to the motherboard, RAM, and cooling that depends on how high you can get it.
Didn't "hear" it at all. :p
You just made that up???
Oh yeah, lemme tell ya! :)
No, it's just that I haven't seen anybody get any lower than 2GHz... And if they can't get that high, it's because of a crappy motherboard, or shitty RAM.
You really shouldn't be saying it is guaranteed. Yes, as I stated previously, there are other factors, but there is still NO GUARANTEE that all 1.6A's will hit 2GHz or more. Chances are that most will hit that mark, but never make a statement of guarantee when you talk o/c.Quote:
Originally posted by Immortal LuD
Oh yeah, lemme tell ya! :)
No, it's just that I haven't seen anybody get any lower than 2GHz... And if they can't get that high, it's because of a crappy motherboard, or shitty RAM.
before you consider buying the MSI 645, i'd head over to their forums and take a look-see. It appears that a large majority of MSI645 users can't get the hardware temp monitoring to work correctly (a la the ASUS motherboards).
I also checked out the i815ET while i was there, and it's a good thing - apparently the board has troubles running the Tualatins at 100mhz FSB (mind you this board is a re-release with "TUALATIN SUPPORT" plastered all over the box). I was almost going to buy the board from newegg - looks like i'll be going with the Abit ST6 (unless the ASUS TUSL2-C fixed the vcore adjust issue with the tualatins?)