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Awhile back everyone was saying they were killing off the PIII; well I still see they are selling it at speeds up to 1.4 ghz. Recently they announced some new lower power pIII's for the server market also.
Seems to me that the PIII could easily take on the athlons if they just bumped up the speeds a few more notches and it's already at .13 process too which athlon still has yet to achieve. Not much bad is said about the PIII's(now the P4 is a another story; he he) either.
Clock for Clock the PIII is nearly identical to a Tbird. A PIII @ 1.5Ghz would equal an 1800XP. It is a VERY good chip in itself, just intel wants to push the P4. Stupid idea in my head is that why cripple the PIII.......sell a crippled P4........make a semi-decent P4........cripple PIII even more. I consider the "Celeron" Tualatin a PIII since it is, with a 100 bus. I just wish Intel made the PIII stop around 1.7Ghz and then did the northwood. A 1.7Ghz PIII would equal a 2100XP. Pretty close anyway.
I see your situation. I've got a diff vers of the same socket board as you with a maxed out PIII. I always thought they could ring them out a bit further.Quote:
Originally posted by Belial
Awhile back everyone was saying they were killing off the PIII; well I still see they are selling it at speeds up to 1.4 ghz. Recently they announced some new lower power pIII's for the server market also.
Seems to me that the PIII could easily take on the athlons if they just bumped up the speeds a few more notches and it's already at .13 process too which athlon still has yet to achieve. Not much bad is said about the PIII's(now the P4 is a another story; he he) either.
Definitely...the new .13u process can take the P3 so much further. Many have OC'd their tualatins to over 1.6Ghz without extreme cooling. I don't see a reason why it wasn't pushed further since there was a hell of a lot of room to go with the core. Stupid intel makes a cripple P4 that denies consumers of higher clocked quality P3s.
The problem is that, back in the times when Intel released the first P4, P3 had hit a wall, it couldnt go past 1000Mhz mark. When the new Tualatin based P3/Celeron was ready to go, P4 was already an accepted CPU and it was the flagship thus intel had found itself in a very messed up situation. But P3 CANT beat a P4, it is bad for buissines.
I disagree.........I can match a 2Ghz P4........so......take a Tualatin to about 1.6, or 1.7Ghz and it will match a 2.2 to 2.4 P4.Quote:
Originally posted by Cristian
But P3 CANT beat a P4, it is bad for buissines
Well the dual 1.26GHz P3 can beat or match 1.6Ghz XP's so there arnt clock for clock the same. And the P3's will stop at 1.7GHz, intel wants to push the P4 more then the P3, even in bussiness the wana push the xeons.Quote:
Originally posted by RPG Junkie
Clock for Clock the PIII is nearly identical to a Tbird. A PIII @ 1.5Ghz would equal an 1800XP. It is a VERY good chip in itself, just intel wants to push the P4. Stupid idea in my head is that why cripple the PIII.......sell a crippled P4........make a semi-decent P4........cripple PIII even more. I consider the "Celeron" Tualatin a PIII since it is, with a 100 bus. I just wish Intel made the PIII stop around 1.7Ghz and then did the northwood. A 1.7Ghz PIII would equal a 2100XP. Pretty close anyway.
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I LOVED my PIII, and it was a slot 1 Katmai! I think the move to the P4 Willy was sheer marketing. I am not an Intel or AMD nut, just get the power I can afford at the time. But yeah I think the PIII had a long way to go before they even needed the P4.
Are there any benchmarks showing the p3 outperforming the p4 or the xp athlons?
He meant that the Pentium III may not beat the Pentium 4 or else it wlil hurt the sells of Pentium 4.Quote:
Originally posted by RPG Junkie
I disagree.........I can match a 2Ghz P4........so......take a Tualatin to about 1.6, or 1.7Ghz and it will match a 2.2 to 2.4 P4.
BELIAN: Not much bad said about the p-111 but the p-4 thats another story??? What p-4 are you talking about???
RPG JUNKIE: A p-111 1.7 will never be close to a xp2100. The xp2100 is alwready rated higher than the p-4 2.2a
Yeah, but the p3 isn't at an IPC disadvantage with the Athlon like the P4 is. There always HAS to be a transition between architectures, and thats why the P4 was brought out when it was. I think you are gonna see the same thing as AMD tries to switch to the hammer core. These transitions are never easy and always take time, and I expect to see as many growing pains with hammer as with the P4.
It's pretty cool Intel is still making the PIII. I still love mine. ;)
The funny thing is that many people said the same types of things about the P6 core (which was used in the PPro, PII and PIII) that they have said about the P4 for the last year or so. When the PPro was first released it was often 20% or more slower then it’s predecessor clock for clock. It was considered large, expensive, hot and power hungry.
Yet today, a 200 MHz PPro is still a credible system for most tasks. It runs Win2K quite acceptably for everything other then 3D games and can even run some of those with a good video card (Not well, but it will not be unusable.). In fact if you compared a Pentium classic and a PPro back in 1996 you would have found the Pentium classic faster by as much a 20% (as I mentioned). If you compare those very same systems today the PPro would be at least 50% faster.
The PIII is still a credible, usable system. It has, however, the same advantages over the P4 that the Pentium classic had over the PPro when it was first released. It is a mature system with lost of software support. It is in no way the technical equal of the P4 or even the Athlon. Competitive or not, as these newer processors mature they will leave the PIII in the dust. This started happening almost two years ago with the Athlon, and the P4 has outperformed the PIII on most tasks from day 1.
The only way to get a PIII to look respectable against the P4 is to cripple the P4 in some fashion or put it at a disadvantage by over clocking the PIII and not the P4.
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Are there any benchmarks showing the p3 outperforming the p4 or the xp athlons?
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Remember the tualatins have a 333Mhz and SDR handicap on the XP's They did great so did the Prestonias.
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They should just make a P5 based on the P3. :)
Nope Its going to based off the P4's Netburst core, so it can scale higher. The P3 core at .13um will hit only 1.7Ghz. The P4 on the .13um can hit 3.4Ghz+.Quote:
Originally posted by TheUltimateNewbie
They should just make a P5 based on the P3. :)
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Intel going to the P4 was a must. Coppermine topped out at 1GHz, and Tualatin wasn't launched until almost a year later in the summer of 2001. P4 was launched November 2000. Intel would have been in bad shape without launching a processor over the course of a year.Quote:
Originally posted by purewire
I LOVED my PIII, and it was a slot 1 Katmai! I think the move to the P4 Willy was sheer marketing. I am not an Intel or AMD nut, just get the power I can afford at the time. But yeah I think the PIII had a long way to go before they even needed the P4.
Tualatin will also top out well below the current P4 frequencies. A new processor was needed and the P4 was it. In the vast majority of applications the top P4 Intel is able to produce at a given time is going to be much faster than the top P3. As we go farther along the bandwidth limitations of P3 will stall its scaling as well.
I said P3 CANT beat a P4 in the intel's eye. I should have used quotes ;)Quote:
Originally posted by RPG Junkie
I disagree.........I can match a 2Ghz P4........so......take a Tualatin to about 1.6, or 1.7Ghz and it will match a 2.2 to 2.4 P4.
As opposed to intel, AMD cannot afford such a luxury. Remember Athlon? It was plenty fast since the first early tests...I think even 40% faster than a similary clocked P3 Katmai. If the Hammer will act as P4 did back in the late nov 2000, AMD will go down FAST.Quote:
Originally posted by steppy76
Yeah, but the p3 isn't at an IPC disadvantage with the Athlon like the P4 is. There always HAS to be a transition between architectures, and thats why the P4 was brought out when it was. I think you are gonna see the same thing as AMD tries to switch to the hammer core. These transitions are never easy and always take time, and I expect to see as many growing pains with hammer as with the P4.