I have an ATI Radeon 8500LE powered by Sapphire. What would be a comparable Geforce product to replace it.
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I have an ATI Radeon 8500LE powered by Sapphire. What would be a comparable Geforce product to replace it.
The GeForce 4 Ti-4200 will be about the same, it will be a little faster though..
On a budget there really isn't anything you could get that would be enough faster than the card you have now to warrant the cost of the upgrade. The 4200 is barely faster than the ATi. If you aren't getting the performance you want, perhaps it isn't the video card, but the CPU/memory in your computer.
If you list your computer hardware, and describe the problem you are having, or the reason for the upgrade, perhaps we could better adress the problem/question.
I'd say the same thing. Blowing $150 for a slightly faster card is hardly worth it, especially since you said you're low on fundage.Quote:
Originally posted by Un4given
On a budget there really isn't anything you could get that would be enough faster than the card you have now to warrant the cost of the upgrade. The 4200 is barely faster than the ATi.
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Originally posted by Hippotoddimus
I have an ATI Radeon 8500LE powered by Sapphire. What would be a comparable Geforce product to replace it.
stay with what you got
Stay poster stay.
If both cards were OC'd would they still be similar or would the 4200 pull ahead?Quote:
Originally posted by Un4given
On a budget there really isn't anything you could get that would be enough faster than the card you have now to warrant the cost of the upgrade. The 4200 is barely faster than the ATi. If you aren't getting the performance you want, perhaps it isn't the video card, but the CPU/memory in your computer...
The 4200 is faster, but not enough faster to warrant the money for the upgrade because they said they were on a budget. If they aren't getting good performance, I think the problem lies elsewhere.Quote:
Originally posted by johndoe23
If both cards were OC'd would they still be similar or would the 4200 pull ahead?
see for yourself:Quote:
Originally posted by johndoe23
If both cards were OC'd would they still be similar or would the 4200 pull ahead?
benchies
What's your budget, and what's your current rig?
I would recommend that you get a Gainward Ti4200. That's the best bang for the buck IMHO. You can buy one of these from www.newegg.com
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Originally posted by gateways_rule
I would recommend that you get a Gainward Ti4200. That's the best bang for the buck IMHO. You can buy one of these from www.newegg.com
Well for the price of the 8500 and the ti4200 combined he could have bought a ti4600 or almost a 9700 pro even; I don't think getting a ti4200 to replace a radeon 8500 is a very good move for someone on a budget.
Either get a Ti4600, some form of radeon 9700, or the NV30 if you want a card from the BIG TWO. These cards will definately give you more performance but except for the ti4600 none are budget cards at the moment(Ti4600 will be considered a budget card fairly soon I believe).
I would suggest getting any of the Ti 4200 line.
Getting another 20FPS in UT2003 would be worth it to me, thats just my oppinion, and the performance jump would be even greater now because of nvidias new drivers.
Good Luck.
I am satisfied with speed of Radeon 8500LE however driver incompatibility with certain games in win xp is frustrating me, Warcraft 3 , GTA 3 and battlefield 1942 demo for example. Nvidia seems to be a much more compatible solution, or is it? Everyone indicates GeForce 4, what about Geforce 3 Ti 200?
Abit KT7
Athlon 1 GHz
384 MB SDRAM
Sapphire 8500LE Radeon
Fortissimo 2
right out of the box the ti200 will be slower for sure. you can get many ti200's up to ti500 speeds and beyond, and then they're pretty much comparable to an 8500, but again, for the price you're gonna pay for a ti200 you might as well just spend another $20 and get a ti4200, because the gf4 ti4200 is significantly faster than the gf3 ti200.Quote:
Originally posted by Hippotoddimus
what about Geforce 3 Ti 200?
also, have you tried different sets of ati drivers to try and get those games working?
Which drivers are you using? Are you stuck with using the Sapphire drivers, or have you tried the "powered by ATI" drivers @ the ATI website?
that mobo is based on the KT133A chipset is it not? if so save up another $50-$75 or so and get a new mobo and ddr ram...that'll help you out a lot more better and prepare you for a new processor when the time comes to get one...
... What kinda mobo and ram you thinkin about?! I know a motherboard ALONE should cost AT LEAST 100 bucks US, and then ram is even more expensive for any amount, share with me the deal you are talking about...Quote:
Originally posted by PointlesS
that mobo is based on the KT133A chipset is it not? if so save up another $50-$75 or so and get a new mobo and ddr ram...that'll help you out a lot more better and prepare you for a new processor when the time comes to get one...
I can't remember exactly where I saw it (might be Rage3D) but there is a patch out for the ATI drivers specifically to fix some issues when playing GTA3 with the 2.1 drivers. Something to do with fog being too thick. Not sure if it will help but......Quote:
Originally posted by Hippotoddimus
I am satisfied with speed of Radeon 8500LE however driver incompatibility with certain games in win xp is frustrating me, Warcraft 3 , GTA 3 and battlefield 1942 demo for example. Nvidia seems to be a much more compatible solution, or is it? Everyone indicates GeForce 4, what about Geforce 3 Ti 200?
Abit KT7
Athlon 1 GHz
384 MB SDRAM
Sapphire 8500LE Radeon
Fortissimo 2
Cheers,
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Originally posted by PointlesS
that mobo is based on the KT133A chipset is it not? if so save up another $50-$75 or so and get a new mobo and ddr ram...that'll help you out a lot more better and prepare you for a new processor when the time comes to get one...
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He can get a cheap KT266a/KT333 made by ECS Elitegroup for around 50-70. If he doesn't want to buy new RAM then there are some KT266a solutions I believe that accept for SDR & DDR RAM, if not he can always get an ECS K7S5A. Also the Abit KT7 is a KT133 not KT133a chipset.Quote:
Originally posted by KaoTiK
... What kinda mobo and ram you thinkin about?! I know a motherboard ALONE should cost AT LEAST 100 bucks US, and then ram is even more expensive for any amount, share with me the deal you are talking about...
I don't really recommend a motherboard change however. If he's going to see any big difference it's with DDR RAM+a KT266a or KT333 but by then he will spend at least $100 if he wants 256MB RAM and the improvement at a decent gaming resolution is not too great.
I think he should really keep the Radeon 8500 but if game compatibility is bothering him more than video card speed a GeForce3 Ti200 is an excellent alternative while not being a game performance slouch either. Good compromise between performance, price, and stability.
I resolved all compatibility issues with the games. I had tuned many bios settings for optimum performance for my old Geforce MX-400 and I was using these settings with my Radeon card as well. This mobo (KT7) with the Radeon will only run stable when I load up optimized defaults in the bios. This is unfortunate because with the Radeon I could get a 3DMark 2001SE of 5866 after tuning but now I get 5019 (however now its stable). Yes I got the GTA3 patch, thanks.
He was saying save up another 50 - 75 bucks in addition to what he was going to spend on a video card and upgrade that. KT266a boards go for about 75 bucks now i.e. Shuttle AK35GTR2.Quote:
Originally posted by KaoTiK
... What kinda mobo and ram you thinkin about?! I know a motherboard ALONE should cost AT LEAST 100 bucks US, and then ram is even more expensive for any amount, share with me the deal you are talking about...
That is also the same advice I would give to better his performance.
I had a simular problem when i upgraded from a GF2 MX400 to a GF2 Ti.Quote:
Originally posted by Hippotoddimus
I resolved all compatibility issues with the games. I had tuned many bios settings for optimum performance for my old Geforce MX-400 and I was using these settings with my Radeon card as well. This mobo (KT7) with the Radeon will only run stable when I load up optimized defaults in the bios. This is unfortunate because with the Radeon I could get a 3DMark 2001SE of 5866 after tuning but now I get 5019 (however now its stable). Yes I got the GTA3 patch, thanks.
I could run the MX400 at 2xAGP with AMD superbypass on and best memory timming.
As soon as i put in the GF2 ti or my GF2 Pro i had to run at 1x AGP and no superbypass or it'l simply hand almost as soon as i get into windows.
That cost me a good deal of speed. especially the super bypass. About 200 3Dmarks at least. some old mobo's just dont cut it i guess.
My friend has a KT7 with duron 1Ghz and a GF2 ti running fine at best setting but i guess an 8500 might push it over the edge.
In my case i blame the AMD750's memory bus becuase i have good ram and its speed or latency timing doesnt make any difference but it could just be the ram is hitting its limmits if you just had to increase memory latency to get it stable.
Do you have one stick or two? Its tough to get best timming with two or more sticks in any case.
I ment save $50-$75 bucks and add it to what you already had...but now that I realized you were in Canada so my pricing is off...Quote:
Originally posted by KaoTiK
... What kinda mobo and ram you thinkin about?! I know a motherboard ALONE should cost AT LEAST 100 bucks US, and then ram is even more expensive for any amount, share with me the deal you are talking about...
Congrats. Always happy to hear good news. :DQuote:
Originally posted by Hippotoddimus
I resolved all compatibility issues with the games. I had tuned many bios settings for optimum performance for my old Geforce MX-400 and I was using these settings with my Radeon card as well. This mobo (KT7) with the Radeon will only run stable when I load up optimized defaults in the bios. This is unfortunate because with the Radeon I could get a 3DMark 2001SE of 5866 after tuning but now I get 5019 (however now its stable). Yes I got the GTA3 patch, thanks.