Just RMAed my 2nd Gainward Ti4200 64MB

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10-24-2002, 09:26 PM
genhousun

Just RMAed my 2nd Gainward Ti4200 64MB

Gainward must have some problem with their Ti4200 64MB cards. I bought the first one back in June because it had the fastest (back then) memory 3.5ns for Ti4200s. Got the card, it can barely made 550mhz:( Moreover, it freezes (at default) randomly during gaming. RMAed it in August and got the second one...It has a better heatsink but performs the same as the first one. It started to freeze during game plays lately so I called Newegg explained to them and they said they will credit me for it.:cool:

Just let you guys know what happened and once again, Newegg's good! Oh btw, I'm going to get the Albatron turbo, anybody has anything to say before my ichy index finger clicks?:D
10-25-2002, 12:57 AM
BlueOval

Sorry to hear of your bad luck with Gainward's 64 mb card. Apparently the first batch was bad - something to do with the RAM I think, however the next batch they made reportedly fixed this problem. I bought mine this month and have had no problems with the card itself, just with DII and Direct3D.
10-25-2002, 09:12 PM
genhousun

How high can you go? Mine can do 270/540 w/o artifacts.
10-25-2002, 09:28 PM
blppt

Re: Just RMAed my 2nd Gainward Ti4200 64MB

Quote:

Originally posted by genhousun
Gainward must have some problem with their Ti4200 64MB cards. I bought the first one back in June because it had the fastest (back then) memory 3.5ns for Ti4200s. Got the card, it can barely made 550mhz:( Moreover, it freezes (at default) randomly during gaming. RMAed it in August and got the second one...It has a better heatsink but performs the same as the first one. It started to freeze during game plays lately so I called Newegg explained to them and they said they will credit me for it.:cool:

Just let you guys know what happened and once again, Newegg's good! Oh btw, I'm going to get the Albatron turbo, anybody has anything to say before my ichy index finger clicks?:D

I had good experience with Albatron so far....i have the supposed lousy first edition, cheap cooling (no ram sinks, cheap GPU heatsink and fan) 128meg Ti4200P from them, and it does 300/550 just fine with no artifacts or crashes. I could even do 575 stable, but there would be an annoying artifact in Madden 2003 right as your team is lining up before each play. Check it out, even with my extremely budget motherboard (K7S5A, not known for speed when compared to the KT333) and XP 2000+ i got 10,800 3dmarks with the 40.41s (at 300/575). I can only imagine that the much improved cooling and RAM chips on the newer Albatron Turbos would yield even better results.
10-25-2002, 09:50 PM
genhousun

Thanks. Sounds like the Albatron's a good ocer. BTW, just heard about the ATI 9500pro in the same price range as the Albatron turbo......Hmmmmm, AGP 8x, DirectX 9 etc Maybe I'll wait a little bit...
10-25-2002, 11:40 PM
JethroBodine

Concept: you could actually PAY for the performance and buy a 9700pro. It would be more honorable than RMAing 4200s till you get one that survives your OCing.
10-25-2002, 11:48 PM
blppt

Quote:

Originally posted by JethroBodine
Concept: you could actually PAY for the performance and buy a 9700pro. It would be more honorable than RMAing 4200s till you get one that survives your OCing.

Well, he's obviously not looking for 9700Pro performance. There isnt a 4200 ever made that can match that, no matter how far you overclock it. Theres also no 4200 that sells for $400.
10-26-2002, 12:31 AM
DaSuperhick

he said 9500pro, not 9700pro...and the price will probably be around 250 bux...i am guessing..............
10-26-2002, 01:10 AM
blppt

Quote:

Originally posted by DaSuperhick
he said 9500pro, not 9700pro...and the price will probably be around 250 bux...i am guessing..............

No he didnt. He said 9700 pro. Check the quote in my reply.
10-26-2002, 12:18 PM
JethroBodine

Yep. I said 9700pro.
That was the point:
If you want high performance, it's more honorable to pay high prices and get it than it is to keep returning video cards that other people have to pay for because they don't OC as well as you'd like, or are damaged in the attempt.
10-26-2002, 01:07 PM
Dimitris

If he wanted the best, this post wouldn't exist, My 64MB GS is also in ram process, but it takes a month for me:( UK-TAIWAN-UK
10-26-2002, 04:26 PM
blppt

Quote:

Originally posted by JethroBodine
Yep. I said 9700pro.
That was the point:
If you want high performance, it's more honorable to pay high prices and get it than it is to keep returning video cards that other people have to pay for because they don't OC as well as you'd like, or are damaged in the attempt.

Maybe so, but perhaps hes not one of those people who had $400 to drop on a video card. Maybe its not honorable, but some people have to make do with what they can afford and have to tweak/overclock to suit their needs. In any case, if hes going for a 4200 you can generally assume that he cannot afford or nis not willing to spend $400 on a video card. Now, if he was complaining about a Ti4600 not overclocking enough, then you'd have a point in recommending buying a Radeon 9700Pro.
10-26-2002, 08:02 PM
genhousun

Quote:

Originally posted by blppt

Maybe so, but perhaps hes not one of those people who had $400 to drop on a video card. Maybe its not honorable, but some people have to make do with what they can afford and have to tweak/overclock to suit their needs. In any case, if hes going for a 4200 you can generally assume that he cannot afford or nis not willing to spend $400 on a video card. Now, if he was complaining about a Ti4600 not overclocking enough, then you'd have a point in recommending buying a Radeon 9700Pro.

Thank you for clearing it up for me!:) Furthermore, I'd like to make one point clear: I did not RMA the card because it's not a good ocer. If you read carefully on my first post, I wrote it freezes at default (250/513) setting during game play. And that's why I RMA it. I believe I am getting a defective card. That's all.:) I paid for 250/513 but it does not work at 250/513. Understand?

blppt has said what I want to say, I cannot afford 9700pro and 4200 is in my budget. Even if I can afford a 9700pro I am not willing to buy it NOW.;)
10-26-2002, 10:32 PM
JethroBodine

"If you read carefully on my first post, I wrote it freezes at default (250/513) setting during game play. And that's why I RMA it. I believe I am getting a defective card. That's all. I paid for 250/513 but it does not work at 250/513. Understand?"

I understand. You OCed the card, broke it, and then say it doesn't work at default so you defraud the company for another.

You take a product for free that lots of people have money and labor in, because you're a selfish kid who doesn't have enough money to buy the performance he wants.

See how well I understand?

[Understand this jethro. The next time is see the phrase "your a" appear in one of your posts i'll hit you with the wrong end of a two week ban stick. GB_Cobber]
10-27-2002, 03:34 PM
blppt

Quote:

Originally posted by JethroBodine
"If you read carefully on my first post, I wrote it freezes at default (250/513) setting during game play. And that's why I RMA it. I believe I am getting a defective card. That's all. I paid for 250/513 but it does not work at 250/513. Understand?"

I understand. You OCed the card, broke it, and then say it doesn't work at default so you defraud the company for another.

You take a product for free that lots of people have money and labor in, because you're a selfish kid who doesn't have enough money to buy the performance he wants.

See how well I understand?

I sincerely doubt that his mild overclock to 550 is causing the hangups during gameplay. I overclocked 2 Geforce 1s to the point where artifacts would appear on the 2d desktop all over the place and a Geforce 2 Pro to extreme artifacting @ 501mhz and they both continued to work fine at default and acceptable overclocking levels thereafter.
10-27-2002, 07:33 PM
JethroBodine

"I sincerely doubt that his mild overclock to 550 is causing the hangups during gameplay."

LOL- yeah it's a LOT more likely he came across TWO defective VGAs in a row.

Let's see:
I've bought 30-50 VGAs in my life, have never gotten a defective one.
I worked at a box shop for half a year, never sold or serviced a defective one.
None of my friends have ever gotten a defective one that I can recall.
At the company I work at now, none of the ones I've bought, or anyone else has bought has been defective.

I see what you mean Blppt. These VGAs are defective more often than not.

No, it's probably a LITTLE more likely our "friend" here isn't being completely upfront about his OCing habits, and even if he is, your own experience has nothing to do with it whatsoever.
You see, every chip is different in how much it can OC. There are other variables like the room air temp, and case cooling. He might have a crappy little minitower that barely fits the wires, so his card overheats from lack of ventilation.

So, he'll buy his Albatron, burn it up, RMA it, and post how he's on his second Albatron and "why the heck can't I OC like you guys?".
;) ;)
10-27-2002, 08:39 PM
blppt

Do you REALLY think that hed continue to play games for an extended period of time with extensive artifacting??? Thats a rather pointless thing to do.

Secondly, overclocking a Ti4200 64megger to 550mhz is NOT an unreasonable expectation, especially for a Gainward card. Hell, i have a Ti4200 128megger, which comes with SLOWER memory and i reached 550mhz just fine. I even pushed it to 600mhz with artifacts, and it managed to complete a run of 3dmark. Guess what? Its still working right now or i wouldnt be able to post here.

And dude, if you havent gotten two bad video cards out of 50, consider yourself unbelievably blessed. I had three out of the 25 or so i've owned in my life.

Fourthly, i never at any point blamed his problems on the video card. The first guess i would make to diagnose his problem is an OS/driver conflict somewhere. Or it COULD be that specific card has a problem with that specific mobo. Dont laugh; i had an LX motherboard back in the day that would not work at all with a Diamond Savage4 (confirmed working in another computer, but it worked just fine with the Creative Savage4 board (both using S3 drivers). The only thing i recommended here was that i had good experience overclocking the old, not-so-great-cooled Albatron GF4 Ti series and that the newer ones should be even better.
10-27-2002, 09:29 PM
Cam

I would guess that the same problem occurring with two cards in a row points to a system incompatability perhaps. I don't think the overclocks would be enough to hurt the 4200's.
10-28-2002, 05:04 PM
genhousun

Quote:

Originally posted by JethroBodine
"If you read carefully on my first post, I wrote it freezes at default (250/513) setting during game play. And that's why I RMA it. I believe I am getting a defective card. That's all. I paid for 250/513 but it does not work at 250/513. Understand?"

I understand. You OCed the card, broke it, and then say it doesn't work at default so you defraud the company for another.

You take a product for free that lots of people have money and labor in, because you're a selfish kid who doesn't have enough money to buy the performance he wants.

See how well I understand?

Does this qualify a personal attack? Please do not assume my situation. I do get two defective cards in a row. It is a known problem for Gainward ti4200s 64MB. So before you go out and call other poeple selfish kids...do some reading first. That way you won't embarass yourself. LOL
10-28-2002, 05:17 PM
genhousun

Quote:

Originally posted by JethroBodine
"I sincerely doubt that his mild overclock to 550 is causing the hangups during gameplay."

LOL- yeah it's a LOT more likely he came across TWO defective VGAs in a row.

Let's see:
I've bought 30-50 VGAs in my life, have never gotten a defective one.
I worked at a box shop for half a year, never sold or serviced a defective one.
None of my friends have ever gotten a defective one that I can recall.
At the company I work at now, none of the ones I've bought, or anyone else has bought has been defective.

I see what you mean Blppt. These VGAs are defective more often than not.

No, it's probably a LITTLE more likely our "friend" here isn't being completely upfront about his OCing habits, and even if he is, your own experience has nothing to do with it whatsoever.
You see, every chip is different in how much it can OC. There are other variables like the room air temp, and case cooling. He might have a crappy little minitower that barely fits the wires, so his card overheats from lack of ventilation.

So, he'll buy his Albatron, burn it up, RMA it, and post how he's on his second Albatron and "why the heck can't I OC like you guys?".
;) ;)

Lucky you! But don't words into my mouth, that's very rude.
11-03-2002, 05:46 AM
BlueOval

Not to beat a dead horse seeing as how the last post in this thread was made 5 days ago or so, but just want to get the word out on these Gainward cards. Yes they're bad. Just RMA'd mine. Hope to get the ABIT Siluro as a replacement. Bad memory on early versions and Gainward has acknolwedged a faulty capacitor on some cards that could lead to lockups. Lived with mine for a week. No OC. Frequent, random lockups whether playing a game or just websurfing. Popped in my old MX400 card. Poof! Problems gone.
11-03-2002, 09:57 PM
genhousun

I like my Albatron turbo. It overclocks like a dream.