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Um, how about every game that is out right now? I'm sure if people are going to pay 400 bucks they want performance NOW.Quote:
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You call that anihilation? I'm sure CPU bottleneck had a little to do with it.
Depends on who you believe.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1779&p=16
The FX does not win many AA&AF tests on this review, Its all up to who you believe.
Its performance in racing & flight sims. :pQuote:
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I would not call that annhiliation. Look at it this way.
Baseline 9700 only lags a bit. The 9700 can be OCed a hell of a lot more than an FX making up this difference.
When you look at AA and AF the IQ level of a 9700 at 2x is similar to an FX at 4x. So compare those two and then add OCing and you got close to a tie.
I want this card to rock as badly as the next guy. However it doesn't.
Look at these Unreal benchmarks .
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1779&p=14
Which review do you believe?
Matters to me a 50-60 Dba vacuum cleaner noise ,also matters that card card is allready overclocked and overvolted and produce huge heat and cost 100$ more for 5 Fps more or less and hawe worst quality in AA/AF and less FPS with AA/AF on and i dunno but i never played Codecreatures .Quote:
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But since Codecreatures is the only thing that matters to you , you sould not hawe problems with the rest :)
Umm... I think the FX sucks as much as the rest of you, but how can a stock card be overclocked and overvolted? Over from what? Those are the stock speeds and voltages. The fact that Nvidia set the stock speed of the ultra pretty close to the current process ceiling doesn't mean that it's OC'd. Also, it's retailing for $399. The cheapest retail 9700 pro is the FIC for $295 at newegg. That's $100, not $150.Quote:
Originally posted by TimisoaraKill
Matters to me a 50-60 Dba vacuum cleaner noise ,also matters that card card is allready overclocked and overvolted and produce huge heat and cost 150$ more for 5 Fps more or less and hawe worst quality in AA/AF and less FPS with AA/AF on and i dunno but i never played Codecreatures .
But since Codecreatures is the only thing that matters to you , you sould not hawe problems with the rest :)
However, for the performance and noise, it should be CHEAPER than the 9700 pro (since the 9700 is faster with equivalent AA/AF), not more expensive.
GAH! A WELL-REASONED AND THOUGHT OUT POST? IN THIS FORUM? INCONCEIVABLE!Quote:
Originally posted by s1203372
Umm... I think the FX sucks as much as the rest of you, but how can a stock card be overclocked and overvolted? Over from what? Those are the stock speeds and voltages. The fact that Nvidia set the stock speed of the ultra pretty close to the current process ceiling doesn't mean that it's OC'd. Also, it's retailing for $399. The cheapest retail 9700 pro is the FIC for $295 at newegg. That's $100, not $150.
However, for the performance and noise, it should be CHEAPER than the 9700 pro (since the 9700 is faster with equivalent AA/AF), not more expensive.
(you keep using that word. i do not think it means what you think it means)
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Originally posted by s1203372
Umm... I think the FX sucks as much as the rest of you, but how can a stock card be overclocked and overvolted? Over from what? Those are the stock speeds and voltages. The fact that Nvidia set the stock speed of the ultra pretty close to the current process ceiling doesn't mean that it's OC'd. Also, it's retailing for $399. The cheapest retail 9700 pro is the FIC for $295 at newegg. That's $100, not $150.
However, for the performance and noise, it should be CHEAPER than the 9700 pro (since the 9700 is faster with equivalent AA/AF), not more expensive.
Card is stock like this only because with 450 mhz core it would be beat by 9700 and is overvolted to reach those CPU speeds (500mhz) for that the card push the huge amount of heat .
The 500 mhz with the actual core revision hawe a lot of artifacts and need that 50dba fan to cool the card so you must be blind to not see that .
This card is pushed over the limits , what you talk about stock ???? , They could release the final speed @ 535 mhz GPU with 0 room for overclocking and huge heat and artifacts so what you would say then ,...you would say that is stock ?
At the end the card work with more speed that is sould work , Nvidia guys are not stupid , if they had cut a bit from core this would be a total disaster 7 monts after 9700 and with less speed .
They still have a month until it ships, hopefully they can bring it together and get the last quality issues set aside. Perhaps increase performance and tweak out the driver set. Bringing up its performane. The 9700 card is a good six+ months ahead of the fx being on the market, so I assume it is a more mature product with better performance. Nvidia in the past has been able to add a good amount of performance with thier driver sets. I'm not in any way let down at all. Since....
I for one was never going to buy either card. I'll wait for the next generation nv35's mainstream unit, or ati's next mainstream part. The 9700 and the fx are both too expensive for me. Both cards are loud. Just one more so than the other. Although I doubt those people with a delta fan will be able to hear it. :)
If it is the manufacturer specified clock speed and voltage, then its stock. In its present condition it passed QC for nVidia and possibly a third party audit. Then its stock. Where "Stock" lies in the objective scale of the technology doesnt matter.Quote:
Originally posted by TimisoaraKill
Card is stock like this only because with 450 mhz core it would be beat by 9700 and is overvolted to reach those CPU speeds (500mhz) for that the card push the huge amount of heat .
The 500 mhz with the actual core revision hawe a lot of artifacts and need that 50dba fan to cool the card so you must be blind to not see that .
This card is pushed over the limits , what you talk about stock ???? , They could release the final speed @ 535 mhz GPU with 0 room for overclocking and huge heat and artifacts so what you would say then ,...you would say that is stock ?
At the end the card work with more speed that is sould work , Nvidia guys are not stupid , if they had cut a bit from core this would be a total disaster 7 monts after 9700 and with less speed .
I mean, if Ford dropped a supercharged 5.0 with a turbo and NOS in their Mustangs...thats stock. It doesnt matter how much more powerful/stress inducing it is then the normal 2.6.
Yes is stock but is the same like an XP2100 overclocked to 2250 mhz (xp 2700) with pumped 1.9 volt with a Swiftech and 8000 Rpm fan , all this packaged and sold by AMD as 'Retail' XP 2700 .Quote:
Originally posted by Isezumi
If it is the manufacturer specified clock speed and voltage, then its stock. In its present condition it passed QC for nVidia and possibly a third party audit. Then its stock. Where "Stock" lies in the objective scale of the technology doesnt matter.
I mean, if Ford dropped a supercharged 5.0 with a turbo and NOS in their Mustangs...thats stock. It doesnt matter how much more powerful/stress inducing it is then the normal 2.6.
I don't know GB, that's a benchmark. That only shows that the Nvidia drivers are more optimized for that. As for actual in-game performance, it's a more crucial thing to consider. There are a lot more factors that you have to take into account. The events happening during gameplay vary depending on what's happening, it's not preset.
But....it would still be stock ;)Quote:
Originally posted by TimisoaraKill
Yes is stock but is the same like an XP2100 overclocked to 2250 mhz (xp 2700) with pumped 1.9 volt with a Swiftech and 8000 Rpm fan , all this packaged and sold by AMD as 'Retail' XP 2700 .
wait, how can you have a supercharged 5.0L engine with a turbo and nos??? that wouldn't be called a supercharged engine. however, it would be the best combination, as a supercharger and turbo have their advantages and dissadvantages. man, that was pretty dumb. you could have at least said twin or quad turbo or twin supercharged. nice post. oh, even though this was a dumb post, the point is true. it would still be stock. instead of a ferrari 360, it would be a 360GT (racing version). just higher rpm's. thats the equivalent of an overclocked cpu, in a sense.
edit: no offense, but man was that funny.:D
This thread is nothing short of Hilarious...
The only thing the FX "Anihilates" is its own hype..
These stats are extremely dissappointing...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1779&p=6
The Minimum frame rates scores are piss poor...
Seems like Users of this card may experience jumpy frame rates unless Nvidia does some work on their drivers...
So, by this reasoning, the P4 3.06 is overclocked and overvolted when running at 3.06 because it has to run at 3.06 to beat the P4 2.8 and because it puts out more heat than the 2.8.Quote:
Originally posted by TimisoaraKill
Card is stock like this only because with 450 mhz core it would be beat by 9700 and is overvolted to reach those CPU speeds (500mhz) for that the card push the huge amount of heat .
The 500 mhz with the actual core revision hawe a lot of artifacts and need that 50dba fan to cool the card so you must be blind to not see that .
This card is pushed over the limits , what you talk about stock ???? , They could release the final speed @ 535 mhz GPU with 0 room for overclocking and huge heat and artifacts so what you would say then ,...you would say that is stock ?
At the end the card work with more speed that is sould work , Nvidia guys are not stupid , if they had cut a bit from core this would be a total disaster 7 monts after 9700 and with less speed .
I hope you see that this makes no sense.
Im glad i prebought and i can cancel both my Prebuys cause this is the biggest disapointment since my girlfriend not getting a boob job lol!!!
My guess is that the code creatures demo uses many complex pixel shaders. That is a weak spot for the 9700 Pro. Since there aren't any games that uses pixel shaders in that extent, I don't think it's worth buying the card for a freakin demo.
And, btw, how is anyone even considering buying a card that sounds like a jet taking off. The noice level is incredible.
I'm more thinking of buying the saphire 9700 Pro Ultimate Edition. It has a passive heatsink and has no noice at all. Since I'm going to run at stock speed, I don't care that I won't get as much headroom for OC.
Heh heh.....me 2 man. I'm gonna pick up a 9700 or an R350 now.Quote:
Originally posted by MarcDaddy
Im glad i prebought and i can cancel both my Prebuys cause this is the biggest disapointment since my girlfriend not getting a boob job lol!!!
LOL about the boob job! My fiancee wants to get one but I told her she coudn't. At least not until we have our 2 kids. Then I WANT her to get one since they'll be all saggy heh heh. Gotta keep those things in shape temporarily to feed the next generation of tweakers!
MarcDaddy's girlfriend don't need a boob job. He Just likes everything bigger and better, LOL! She's got some nice ones.
The Radeon 9700 video card is the leader now at this point of time. The FX card did not blow out the Radeon 9700 video card by 30% so this card is a waste imo.