Only preorders will be filled, and the normal 5800(400/800)will still go on sale for $299.
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Only preorders will be filled, and the normal 5800(400/800)will still go on sale for $299.
I dont know how true this is steppy, but certainly if this is the case nvidia fan boys will be really mad :mad:
BTW that doesnt include me!
And this leaves ati pretty much open for their plans and if they can launch 9900 pro in time, rumors say they will then nvidia does have a major task on their hands.
Only time will tell though!
I think it means that, in line with previous rumors, that the NV35 may be released at the same time as Doom 3 which should be spring time or so.
That would be most excellent.
What's that rumbling sound in the distance?
Can it be... the sound of heads rolling at the Nvidia HQ?
:eek:
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Considering the fun/performance I've had so far really makes me believe that the Radeon 9700pro I bought late October 2002 have been the best hardware decision I've ever made!
The earliest rumor I've heard about NV35 puts it at june, and for a part slated originally for Nov(and look at the last card they tried to force out(the FX)), I think June is a VERY optimistic rumor(unless that is the PAPER launch date). I personally don't think they'd be able to move it more than 2 months ahead of schedule.Quote:
Originally posted by Lord Cecil
I think it means that, in line with previous rumors, that the NV35 may be released at the same time as Doom 3 which should be spring time or so.
That would be most excellent.
I told you it was only gonna be released in limited quantities. Now there won't even be a general sale ultra.
I'm not so much an "nvidia fanboy" I'm just a rich spoiled kid who wants his damned good video card, however I do like nvidia better and it hurt me to have to go for the 9700 pro. But I have faith. Nvidia will right they're wrong and get back on top =P
Well, I guess it's time to rip my Nvidia sticker of my case and go get a 9700pro(?) :( :mad:
u got that right!Quote:
Originally posted by imayoda
Well, I guess it's time to rip my Nvidia sticker of my case and go get a 9700pro(?) :( :mad:
Or you could do what 99% of the market is doing... waiting for the card that will run Doom 3 the best. Money is on the NV35.
Good move for Nvidia business and costumer trust imho, card was way to hot , way to noysy , with mediocre performance and the price tag was not justifyed .
hm i guess that ati will have no competition in high end until NV35 is out... I wonder if thats the same time as R400 is supposed to be out or 'just' R350 with .013 and DDRII?
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BTW are there any previews for GFX 5800 non-ultra? I wonder if it is faster then non-pro 9700?
Seems true here is the link http://www.hardocp.com/ .:(
It's really looking to be true now. PNY has updated there webpage, they removed the ULTRA out of the name and lowered the specs.
http://www.pny.com/home/products/Vcard_fx.cfm
GeForce FX Specifications
CineFX Engine providing cinematic-quality special effects
400MHz core Clock
400MHz memory clock (800 MHz Effective memory Clock)
Ouch :( I know Nvidia can bounce back from this, but this is in no way helping them.
I have also read of dropping sales for Xbox, and that the relation between Nvidia and Microsoft isn't the greatest. This overall effect could take a bigger hit on Nvidia.
With the R350 coming out anytime, Its sure going to put a stake into there heart.
On the up side for you Nvidia fans,I bet that this detuned FX card that is coming instead will be able to overclock to the FX ulta performance with the right cooling.:)
People, people, people.Quote:
Originally posted by DaSuperhick
Good move for Nvidia business and costumer trust imho, card was way to hot , way to noysy , with mediocre performance and the price tag was not justifyed .
Try to understand for once that over 75% of sales Nvidia and ATI makes are cards under $150. That whole "ati will have no competition" is stupid. The high end cards are basically loss leaders except most people won't buy it.
Without counting the development, workers, utilities and all the other capitol that goes into making the physical product how much money do you think is in those cards? Probably less than $20. This is why they make make most of their money on lesser selling cards because a large percentage will buy them, and because they have the "fastest video card out" consumers will look into their brand first.
So since the ultra gfx card is only going to be a limited run and unavailable anymore after supplies run out how does this affect the performance crown?
Is the 400mhz clocked gfx fast enough to beat the 9700 pro? If not can they still advertise having the fastest card based on the limited number of special edition ultras they sell even though it's not going to be a production card and unavailable?
The 400 Mghz card can't beat the 9700 pro in the FPS race.
Nvidia can do this, but it will do no good for the company at all relationship with with the Nvidia junkies.
I hope the NV35 fixes what the FX could not do in the noise department.
I also wonder about this - since the card will not be available to buy for most people should it even be allowed to be included in rankings like 3Dmark 2003 at all?Quote:
Originally posted by Belial
So since the ultra gfx card is only going to be a limited run and unavailable anymore after supplies run out how does this affect the performance crown?
I suspect that the 3Dmark-guys will include it, but if they do that they probably make way for GPU-companies to make strictly limited runs of supercooled cards costing several $1000 each that are never meant for regular sale just to top the charts.
:eek:
Like I wrote the other day, maybe it should be a standard when it comes to how many cards has to be available to the general public before they are allowed to be on rankings like these - in the same way that lots of car-races with 'stock' cars demand that the car-manufacturer release a certain amount of identical cars for 'regular' sale before they are allowed to enter certain types of races.
Well Nvidia better get moving soon because the cards will be paced like this soon.Quote:
Originally posted by LiptonIce
People, people, people.
Try to understand for once that over 75% of sales Nvidia and ATI makes are cards under $150. That whole "ati will have no competition" is stupid. The high end cards are basically loss leaders except most people won't buy it.
Without counting the development, workers, utilities and all the other capitol that goes into making the physical product how much money do you think is in those cards? Probably less than $20. This is why they make make most of their money on lesser selling cards because a large percentage will buy them, and because they have the "fastest video card out" consumers will look into their brand first.
1 NV350
2 9700 pr0
3 9700
4 9500 pro or denutted FX
3 and 4 will be the $150 average person cards soon and Nvidia still charges a top end price for its old Ti 4600,4800(Same s#it different pile) like there still king of the hill when they are infact they dropping off the top end chart.
Actually, they will be paced like this once Nvidia can finally get something out of the door.Quote:
Originally posted by crashed13
Well Nvidia better get moving soon because the cards will be paced like this soon.
1 NV350
2 9700 pr0
3 9700
4 9500 pro or denutted FX
1 R9900 Pro (R350)
2 R9700 Pro
3 NV30
4 R9500 Pro
5 GF4 4600
With the 9500 Pro falling close to the $200 line, they are selling like hotcakes now. And once the R350s drop, I assume that there will be a price drop for the other R3xx chips, meaning that a R9700Pro might be had for $200 and the R9500Pro will become the 'value' chip. :eek:
A card that beats a 4600 quite readily with AF and AA as a value chip is mind-blowing.
Those holding out for the NV35 might as well wait for the R400 to come out as well, as I do not think that ATI is going to ever slack off on Nvidia.
I'm not really surprised. Nvidia rushed the FX to compete with the Radeon 9700 Pro and in some respects, it worked but doesn't really provide much of a challenge otherwise. R.I.P. FX. Welcome NV35.
That's right. ATI found an opening in Nvidia's defenses and is exploiting it to the fullest extent. Now that ATI has gotten a much better grip on the market, they are NOT going to let go anytime soon.Quote:
Those holding out for the NV35 might as well wait for the R400 to come out as well, as I do not think that ATI is going to ever slack off on Nvidia.
Its a shame so many peoples feathers were ruffled and the card is not even going to be released. :D
Nvidia is making a smart move and they will come back with NV35.