Radeon 7000 v. GeForce2 GTS (yes old cards!)

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07-29-2003, 03:09 PM
DJBeanPole17

Radeon 7000 v. GeForce2 GTS (yes old cards!)

My friend offered me a card he bought because he thought his other video card died. Turns out it was just the monitor and that he doesn't need it. The card he bought was a ATI Radeon 7000 w/ 32MB DDR. He asked me if I wanted it. My old GeForce2 GTS w/ 64MB SDRAM is what I have now. I was wondering if the Radeon is better deal?

I have been looking online all day and cannot find any clockspeeds for the core/memory of the Radeon. Compared to my card now, would it be better for me to switch or just stick to what I have now???
07-29-2003, 03:24 PM
soupnazi

I also have a Geforce 2 GTS 64mb, and I'd say stick with that. The only thing I'd consider upgrading to is a Radeon8500 with my limited budget.
07-29-2003, 03:25 PM
Mr Cherry

The 7000 is a Radeon VE, think of it as the MX of the ATI world. Your Geforce 2 GTS is better, in almost every aspect. The 7000 probably performs similarly to a Geforce 256 and it only has 32mb of memory. YOu could benchmark them both and see which on scores higher, if you don't trust my advice.
07-29-2003, 03:33 PM
Un4given

The GF2 you have now is the superior of the two cards.
07-29-2003, 05:10 PM
s1203372

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Cherry
The 7000 is a Radeon VE, think of it as the MX of the ATI world. Your Geforce 2 GTS is better, in almost every aspect. The 7000 probably performs similarly to a Geforce 256 and it only has 32mb of memory. YOu could benchmark them both and see which on scores higher, if you don't trust my advice.

Actually, the GF256 would spank the 7000 - the 7000 is lacking a T&L engine. The 7000 shouldn't even be graced with the name Radeon.
07-29-2003, 05:15 PM
Johnmcl7

Quote:

Originally posted by s1203372

Actually, the GF256 would spank the 7000 - the 7000 is lacking a T&L engine. The 7000 shouldn't even be graced with the name Radeon.

Definitely, I've got a Radeon 7000 in my work PC and its performance is very poor, I can't even get RTCW:ET to run smoothly with everything turned right down.

John
07-29-2003, 05:22 PM
speedstream5621

Quote:

Actually, the GF256 would spank the 7000 - the 7000 is lacking a T&L engine. The 7000 shouldn't even be graced with the name Radeon.

Quote:

Definitely, I've got a Radeon 7000 in my work PC and its performance is very poor, I can't even get RTCW:ET to run smoothly with everything turned right down.

Hmmm...wonder why!:p If you want an inexpensive upgrade, find an 8500.
07-29-2003, 05:26 PM
Mr Cherry

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnmcl7

Definitely, I've got a Radeon 7000 in my work PC and its performance is very poor, I can't even get RTCW:ET to run smoothly with everything turned right down.

John

Someone should tell your boss your playing RTCW at work. ;)

... and not inviting me!
07-29-2003, 06:28 PM
Derringer

What about a 7500. How does that compare?
07-29-2003, 08:55 PM
Username

7500 is a lot better. It still works for non-gamers. They still make new PCs with the 7500s.
07-29-2003, 09:03 PM
jagojago12

Quote:

Originally posted by s1203372

Actually, the GF256 would spank the 7000 - the 7000 is lacking a T&L engine. The 7000 shouldn't even be graced with the name Radeon.

I agree 100%. It's misleading to even call that product a Radeon. A Radeon 7000 is not much faster than a Voodoo3 3500 or a TNT2 Ultra.
07-29-2003, 09:04 PM
jagojago12

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Originally posted by Derringer
What about a 7500. How does that compare?

The Radeon 7500 is about on-par with a GeForce2 Ultra. It seems that both perform similarly, but the 7500 tends to edge out the GeForce2 Ultra more than the GeForce2 Ultra edges out the Radeon 7500.
07-29-2003, 09:19 PM
Intimidator

get a nice 8500Le for around 40 to 55$:)
07-29-2003, 09:30 PM
Thunderbird1GHz

wow that bad?

radeon7000........mx400
radeon7200........GTS
radeon7500..........ultra

am I right? wow its sad if you cant run a game with lowest details, what about the cpu equation doing the load?
07-29-2003, 09:31 PM
Thunderbird1GHz

Quote:

Originally posted by Intimidator
get a nice 8500Le for around 40 to 55$:)

If you are lucky, expect more like $60 for an le however. still not bad, should eat a ti500 however and has better IQ
07-29-2003, 09:33 PM
irwincur

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They still make new PCs with the 7500s.

I think Dell does.

Other than that, don't even look at a 7500 since you can get an 8500LE for about $5 more. Even better, look for a Ti4200.
07-29-2003, 11:07 PM
jagojago12

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Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
wow that bad?

radeon7000........mx400
radeon7200........GTS
radeon7500..........ultra

am I right? wow its sad if you cant run a game with lowest details, what about the cpu equation doing the load?

Did you even read what s1203372 or what jagojago12 said?

The Radeon 7000 is slightly faster than a Voodoo3 3500 or a TNT2 Ultra. The Radeon 7000 is clocked at 183/366 using 64-bit DDR. That means it has a memory bandwidth of 2.93GB/sec with a fillrate of 183 megapixels/sec and 549 megatexels/sec. That's in theory. In practice, the Radeon 7000 only offers a peak multitexturing fillrate of 366 megatexels/sec because there are almost no games that use the 3rd texture mapping unit (TMU) on the R100 core. To add insult to injury, it has no Texture & Lighting engine, forcing high CPU utilization.

This basically comes down as a card that's barely able to beat the Voodoo3 3500 and TNT2 Ultra. Those cards are ANCIENT and the performance of the Radeon 7000 speaks for itself.

So in a nutshell,

Code:

Radeon 7000 (aka Radeon VE)..................Voodoo3/TNT2 Radeon 7200 SDR (aka Radeon 32MB SDR)........GeForce2 MX400 Radeon 7200 DDR (aka Radeon 32MB DDR)........GeForce2 GTS Radeon 7200 64MB DDR (aka Radeon 64MB VIVO)..GeForce2 Pro Radeon 7500 64MB DDR.........................GeForce2 Ultra

Those are approximations. Many people know that the Radeon 32MB DDR was not equal and/or faster than the GeForce2 GTS until you cranked the resolution to 1600x1200@32-bit.
07-30-2003, 07:24 AM
Johnmcl7

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Originally posted by Mr Cherry

Someone should tell your boss your playing RTCW at work. ;)

... and not inviting me!

My old boss used to join in with UT and AvP2, these days I play with around 7 others in the company with ET :)

Did I mention I happen to work for a computer games company? :P

Managed to nab a slightly better PC for the moment, P3 800 with a GF4Ti4200, just getting fired up to play at 1pm.

John
07-30-2003, 11:23 AM
crashed13

Quote:

Originally posted by Johnmcl7

Definitely, I've got a Radeon 7000 in my work PC and its performance is very poor, I can't even get RTCW:ET to run smoothly with everything turned right down.

John

I use to play RTCW on line at 800x600x16 very well with a 32mb GF2 MX200 a GF2 GTS should play at 1024x768x32 without much effort.:confused:
07-30-2003, 11:25 AM
Johnmcl7

Quote:

Originally posted by crashed13

I use to play RTCW on line at 800x600x16 very well with a 32mb GF2 MX200 a GF2 GTS should play at 1024x768x32 without much effort.:confused:

A Geforce GTS probably would be fine, I was meaning to swap the Radeon 7000 for a GTS which was sitting unused in another machine. I think someone mentioned already that a Radeon 7000 probably isn't even as good as a Geforce1, it doesn't have hardware TnL.

John