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I know this may sound illegal but I was wondering if there is any possible way to create your own registered IP address.
I don't intend to do this, but I ask mainly for the knowledge.
I'm not asking HOW to do this, I was just wondering if this is possible in any way shape or form, and if this is illegal in any way.
Has this been done before and is it illegal?
If this is indeed a legal procedure, does anyone have any information or links on how to do this?
Thanks to anyone kind enough to repond.
If you simply assigned yourself an IP address, it wouldn't work because the internet routers would either not have any routing info for the bogus IP if it wasn't assigned or the routing info would point to the legit user of that IP.
It is possible to obtain an IP block legitimately with the proper documents and justification. Naturally there is a hefty annual fee involved.
Ahh, ok thanks
Hmm, obtaining an IP block. I mean, couldn't I just create my own IP block?
Yes, you can go into Windows and assign yourself whatever IP you like.
The only problem is that you could only use that IP on your own private network. You can't connect to the Internet unless you use an IP assigned to you (either static or dynamic) by an ISP.
There is a Government Organization that controls all the IP blocks, they are all accounted for either by the entity that bought the block or the Organization which acts as its provisional retainer.Quote:
Originally posted by Apheleon
Ahh, ok thanks
Hmm, obtaining an IP block. I mean, couldn't I just create my own IP block?
You cant really "squat" on unclaimed IP blocks, the "not centralized" nature of the internet makes it more difficult then you would think.
If you are really interested and have a legit need if an IP block that is not assigned by your ISP look here.
ICANN, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, is the organization responsible for assigning Internet names and IP addresses.Quote:
Originally posted by Isezumi
There is a Government Organization that controls all the IP blocks, they are all accounted for either by the entity that bought the block or the Organization which acts as its provisional retainer.
Like Isezumi said, you can't simply "squat" on someone else's IP address. Let's say you assigned your computer an address like 216.109.117.204. It won't work because if anyone on the Internet tries to send a packet to that address, routers will deliver that packet to the 216.109.117.x (Class C) IP network. If your computer's not physically attached to that network, you won't get that packet.Quote:
From http://www.icann.org/general/abouticann.htm:
The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) is the non-profit corporation that was formed to assume responsibility for the IP address space allocation, protocol parameter assignment, domain name system management, and root server system management functions previously performed under U.S. Government contract by IANA and other entities.
bah...Corporations, Governments...
when you live in America it seems as though the two are practically interchangeable at times... :p
Thanks for the responses. Very appriciated.
IP space is owned by internet providers. All internet traffic is based on routing policy, and if you through an aribtary network address on your connection you had to to internet, the traffic wouldn't go anywhere since the connection on the other end requires you to share the same "subnet" or wire. All traffic in network systems is based on the fact each link shares this network, and the machine you spit traffic at will not know what it's getting, nor will traffic ever come back to you since that random IP you just gave is already owned, delegated and spoken for. Your best bet is to ask your ISP to route you over a small ip block, if you had such options in your service plan. Cable does not provide this anywhere, that I know of. DSL service providers on the other hand do sometimes delegate static IP's and nice little IP blocks if you so chose, for a price.
Truth be told, your IP should change rarely, so if you wanted to assign a DNS record to it through like dns2go or something of that nature, or had someone with a name server willing to give you an a-record, you could just have a name pointed towards that dynamic IP, and pretend its yours : ]
I know some ISPs that change DHCP addresses several times per day. One I know does it every hour.Quote:
Originally posted by mjg
Truth be told, your IP should change rarely, so if you wanted to assign a DNS record to it through like dns2go or something of that nature, or had someone with a name server willing to give you an a-record, you could just have a name pointed towards that dynamic IP, and pretend its yours : ]
Still, without a domain to call your own, there is no link between you and any DNS server. A domain requires 2 DNS servers. DNS servers themselves have many requirements in addition to a static IP.
Setting up your own IP is as difficult as setting up a bogus telephone number and having people to call you.
One Real Name server should be fine, if you can provide a failover such as one of your ISP's name servers. I suppose you can own neither of them and just have the name hosted for you. There are places that do that if you couldn't have a friend host it.
DNS servers do not require static IP's. What led you to that presumption? The servers 'themselves' require static IP's, not the records they point to.
I personally do not know of any ISP's that offer 1 hour leases. That seems pretty harsh and ridiculous. This is of course a policy based feature, and I for one would never do a buisness with one that is so ridiculous.
Setting up an IP is as simple as having a block routed over to you. It is not bogus if you own your IP and they provider owns the address space.
You managed to contradict yourself in the same 3 sentence paragraph.Quote:
Originally posted by mjg
One Real Name server should be fine, if you can provide a failover such as one of your ISP's name servers. I suppose you can own neither of them and just have the name hosted for you. There are places that do that if you couldn't have a friend host it.
DNS servers do not require static IP's. What led you to that presumption? The servers 'themselves' require static IP's, not the records they point to.
I personally do not know of any ISP's that offer 1 hour leases. That seems pretty harsh and ridiculous. This is of course a policy based feature, and I for one would never do a buisness with one that is so ridiculous.
Setting up an IP is as simple as having a block routed over to you. It is not bogus if you own your IP and they provider owns the address space.
DNS servers require a static IP.
One DNS name server won't do. When one registers a domain name, it must either be parked with a service provider or you must provide 2 DNS server addresses.
If you have DHCP it does not matter how long the leases are because they can change during a session without any impact on the user. As such there is nothing harsh or ridiculous about such a policy. ISPs do not include the DHCP lease terms in their "fine print". Lease terms often depend upon the particular DHCP server or the maintenance schedule.
What you are saying about owning an IP but the ISP owns the address space does not make sense. An IP and it's address space are one and the same. For an individual to own an IP block they must get it from ICANN at great cost. An IP obtained from an ISP is generally not portable. You can use it only with that ISP. If you change ISPs you must obtain a different block of IP addresses. Then the ISP has blocks of addresses that belong to the ISP's provider. If they change backbone providers, they also must change the IP blocks that came from that provider. Only the largest of ISP's and other businesses have their own IP address blocks assigned by ICANN.
For example the class A network 12.0.0.0 belongs entirely to AT&T. Many ISP's are on the AT&T backbone and use AT&T subnet allocations. If they cease to use AT&T as their backbone provider, they are no longer on the 12.0.0.0 network and cannot use AT&T's address block.
If i could make my own ip's and have them go through id be a spammer.:D
Guy look, don't get yourself upset.
First off, no one "owns" IP's. The government technically owns all of them and they are designated. So, if you were referring to "borrowing" one, since you are playing ridiculous games with semantics to prove your bloated points, I can abstractify too. Don't pontificate with me.
An individual must go to ICANN? Perhaps you don't realize, sir, that their is an IP shortage. Individuals, do not go to ICANN, actually organizations that can substantiate large enough portions of said address space request it and are granted, as well as AS numbers. You are familar with those, aren't you? Do you know what "multi-homed" networks are? Uhhh that's what BGP is for. So yes an "ip" is portable and you can have multipile upstreams, if you have an Autonomous system. I'll save you the trouble, those are the thingies they assign to "big companies" say they may have networkt traffic traverse multipile networks, so "their" ips can be a bit more portable. Do you know what policy is? Have you ever worked at an ISP? Better yet, do you really understand what an ISP does?
Backbone providers, which are the top of the food chain of where us laymen "borrow" IP space, will route over IP's to customers, or "individuals" as you say, at a price. What on earth are you talking about? Why don't you go try and "buy" some ip space from icann.
I know what ICANN is, I've been a network professional for the last 5 years. Need I show you my resume? Second off, I mentioned you don't need a static IP to point a record towards it. And if you don't know what co-location is, I suggest you kindly go research the topic before you waste your time outling the differences to me.
I'm not the one who managed to contradict myself, perhaps your the one who managed waste your time.
Drop the attitude, I was here to inform, not to be bated by an amateur.
okay... two penalties on the play
penalty, mjg, poor sentence structure...
penalty, ua549, operating on an assumption...
Now lets kiss and make up, because there is actually valid information in this thread, and people dont need to read through mud slinging to get it.
ok, here is my peace pipe, sorry. now back to studying. I will re-read what I typed next time, and perhaps avoid an argument on here, which is stupid and all that. I didn't improve the situation, and I'll squash it. Sorry.
Before retirement I was an international network consultant for over 30 years so I know a few more things than you suspect.
Last comments.
ICANN is a non-profit corporation. It is not part of any government.
There is no shortage of IP addresses. Less than half of the available address space is allocated thanks to NAT. Anyone can go to ICANN to obtain an IP block if they can justify it. As a network consultant, I did just that a few years ago from IANA, ICANN's predecessor. I helped obtain a Class B address block for a government agency while setting up a 20k node network.
But there is a IP shortage.. Hence why they want to move over to IP6 :)
Address space is perdicted to be depleted at the growth rate of buisness by (this is a guestimate) in the next 15-20 years. IPV6, or internet 2 as it's called has intercompatibility with current ipv4 address space and has already became populated by organizatons, colleges, and people who seek internet presence in the not so distance future. I will not argue with you anymore, I'm sure you know what you are talking about, but last night I was in a bad mood and took what you said to heart. Network dynamics change quick enough that if you are out of the loop for atleast a momment (for me just one year) things get quite different, fast.
I've worked at financial firms, ISP, I've done a bit of private consulting myself in my brief career. Actually as I've mentioned earlier, I am out of the hustle while I complete my CS degree over at Stony Brook. There wasn't much job security in the network gig, and I've had enough experience to know that job security is something I 'do' want, which the buisness cannot offer without drastic comprimise. Am I about to move out to China or India, hell no! : P
Anyways no man is perfect, I understand ICANN is a non-profit organization, similar to the IETF, and was created with agreement by other importants nations (and our beloved US). You are correct. One thing you cannot disagree with me on, I'm sure, is that internet is our invention therfore we pretty much dominate it in population and politically. We have rubbed this in other nations faces for years.
Anyways, IPv6 is a very clever protocol, most new network students like collusus may not have to thoroughly understand it now while the networks are still converging over ip ipv6 space, but I'm sure within 5 years it will be right up there in cisco's itenerary for network basics.