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This isnt right, I get 106fps in quake3 1600x1200x32 but with 4x fsaa it drops to 40fps? whatever happened to color compression in the fx cards that let you use that with ~25% performance hit? I get 2.65 times better performance without aa! Lets see how the ti4200 does with 4x aa then! I dont see how people claim almost no performance loss with aa/af maybe this only applies to the radeon9700+ and fx5800+ since the cpu is limiting them anyway I guess
it's a fx 5200...it's clock speeds are so low that enabling something like fsaa (and even in 1600x1200)is just not feasible...granted it's quake 3...but it's a fx 5200...you're expecting a lot more out of it than what the card has to offer...
That's the disadvantage of the FX5200 series. It has no color compression technology like HyperZ or LMA. So any high bandwidth needy things (like high detailed textures/AA/AF) will maim performance on that card.
As I am sure you have been told before. The FX5200 SUCKS. One of the worst cards made IMO. I honestly can't believe you wasted your money on it. Then again, I don't understand any of your purchases. Just because it has FX on it did you think it was going to be great? IT'S A 5200.
No need to bash the guy. He enjoys getting the most out of all the cards he can get his hands on and I respect that. Some of his purchases may be weird, but he enjoys doing this and I respect him for that.Quote:
Originally posted by Stryker5
As I am sure you have been told before. The FX5200 SUCKS. One of the worst cards made IMO. I honestly can't believe you wasted your money on it. Then again, I don't understand any of your purchases. Just because it has FX on it did you think it was going to be great? IT'S A 5200.
I still don't understand why so many people bash TBird. He's a good guy, with weird tastes, but that's no reason to hate him.
Agree completely. He enjoys computers just as much as the rest of us, just...in different ways:)Quote:
Originally posted by Chuck232
I still don't understand why so many people bash TBird. He's a good guy, with weird tastes, but that's no reason to hate him.
the king of less than good cards ;)
Well Maybe he dont have a rich mommy and daddy that give him everything *cough* *cough* such as your system . Did you ever think of that?Quote:
Originally posted by Stryker5
As I am sure you have been told before. The FX5200 SUCKS. One of the worst cards made IMO. I honestly can't believe you wasted your money on it. Then again, I don't understand any of your purchases. Just because it has FX on it did you think it was going to be great? IT'S A 5200.
FX5200 is still better than my Gf3 Ti200 so be happy with 60ish FPS with 4xaa on :)
No need to bash the guy. He enjoys getting the most out of all the cards he can get his hands on and I respect that. Some of his purchases may be weird, but he enjoys doing this and I respect him for that.
I still don't understand why so many people bash TBird. He's a good guy, with weird tastes, but that's no reason to hate him.
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he brings it on himself, the self professed vid guru asking about vid card drivers, this after dispensing 100's of posts regarding the comparative relationships between tons of cards to many here at the forums, lots of times without any firsthand/hands on knowledge of actually working with the card.
then a post asking about drivers on the ATI 8500, with references to three files and a control panel at the ATI site. the way he talks you would think he is on top of the vid card arena, you know what i mean, jellybean??? appears he is not.............
anyway, he makes for good reading and a good laugh once and awhile, but stop bashing him, hardly, it will continue ad infinitum.
now, back to the 5200, new drivers MAY change the way it reacts, but i doubt it seriously..............
baldy:cool:
Nobody ever said that they had no/minimal loss using AA/AF. It was stated most often that the R300 cards had much LESS of a hit than the NV Ti cards with AA/AF. Also, look at THG. The 5200 ULTRA got destroyed with AA/AF, even worse than Ti4200.
I'm sorry I work and go to college and every penny spent on this system was MINE. Don't believe me? Ask Butcherbeard. And next time before you run your mouth look at how many cards he has owned in the past year. He isn't poor.Quote:
Originally posted by ace727861986
Well Maybe he dont have a rich mommy and daddy that give him everything *cough* *cough* such as your system . Did you ever think of that?
FX5200 is still better than my Gf3 Ti200 so be happy with 60ish FPS with 4xaa on :)
And as bldegle2 said any bashing he gets or has gotten has been brought on to him by himself and himself alone.
Agreed.Quote:
I'm sorry I work and go to college and every penny spent on this system was MINE. Don't believe me? Ask Butcherbeard. And next time before you run your mouth look at how many cards he has owned in the past year. He isn't poor.
And as bldegle2 said any bashing he gets or has gotten has been brought on to him by himself and himself alone.
Agreed.Quote:
it's a fx 5200...it's clock speeds are so low that enabling something like fsaa (and even in 1600x1200)is just not feasible...granted it's quake 3...but it's a fx 5200...you're expecting a lot more out of it than what the card has to offer...
Thanks to Stryker5-this thread has been hijacked!:eek::mad:
LOL! :D But we're all guilty of hijacking another's thread from time to time.;) Hell, I've done it quite a few times myself.:p :D And guys, keep things friendly, no need to flame or get personal here.:) FYI, in case anyone should think otherwise, I'm closing in on 40 years of age and my rigs are MINE, paid for with hard-earned blood and sweat soaked cash...OK, the last part was exxagerated by a little, ONLY a little! HeHeHe!:DQuote:
Thanks to Stryker5-this thread has been hijacked!:eek::mad: [/B]
Remember, you said that the fx 5200 eats a 9600pro. The fx 5200 is only better than a 9600pro in benchmarking without aa/af. When it comes to gaming with aa/af the 9600pro/9500np is a better selection.:) Oh well, good luck.Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
This isnt right, I get 106fps in quake3 1600x1200x32 but with 4x fsaa it drops to 40fps? whatever happened to color compression in the fx cards that let you use that with ~25% performance hit? I get 2.65 times better performance without aa! Lets see how the ti4200 does with 4x aa then! I dont see how people claim almost no performance loss with aa/af maybe this only applies to the radeon9700+ and fx5800+ since the cpu is limiting them anyway I guess
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Originally posted by number1sixerfan
Remember, you said that the fx 5200 eats a 9600pro. The fx 5200 is only better than a 9600pro in benchmarking without aa/af. When it comes to gaming with aa/af the 9600pro/9500np is a better selection.:) Oh well, good luck.
Just to set the record strait, its a ti4200 eating a 9600 pro without aa/af. I guess 9600 pros take less of a hit with aa/af. ti4200s, fx5200s and older cards such as ti200s, radeon8500s, 9000s, etc take quite a hit with aa/af.
ti4200s will eat any geforce3 and below. They also will eat the fx5200, fx5600 and even the revision 1 fx5600 ultra. They eat 9500 non pros thru 9600 pros, but the 9500 pros eat ti4200s. radeon9500 pros and 9700 non pros eat ti4200s. fx5600 ultras at 400/800 and fx5800s also eat ti4200s. with aa/af the 9500 non pros and up eat ti4200s, although the 9600 non pro may still get eaten unless oced. fx5600 non ultras may eat ti4200s, but the fx5200s appearently dont. ti4200s thus appear to be midrange cards in every respect minus aa/af of course ;)
"FX5200 is still better than my Gf3 Ti200 so be happy with 60ish FPS with 4xaa on"
actually if both stock, I believe a ti200 to take just a nibble off the fx5200, but an oced fx5200 may match a stock ti500 but owns it in the amount of ram it has. Think of it as a ti200(minus 10%) with dx9 and double da ram! those are worth less than ti4200s however, but I got mine cheap anyway :)
"I honestly can't believe you wasted your money on it."
depends on how much one pays for it, its not a waste if gotten cheap enough and that one eats the 64mb fx5200 I had last time too
it's spelled "straight", not strait. a strait's a body of water (generally a channel), connecting two other bodies of water, or meaning a position of distress.
gaw, i just hate it when people are illiterate. damn it people, pay attention in english class.
i just stumbled across one huge post by tbird, some bashing and lots of eats and numbers, and something about how a 5200 is the big stinker, and decided to stop reading.
why are we posting about the obvious? it's like beating a dead horse.
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posistion of distress
position, i assume, English doctor????
hehe.
baldy:D ;) :p :cool: :)
Yes sir. You're right. I was so infuriated with improper usage of words that I forgot to spell. That deserves a smack on the hand. I'll fix that right away. :)
Caps at start of each sentence. I learned that in English. :)Quote:
Originally posted by PinchyCM
it's spelled "straight", not strait. a strait's a body of water (generally a channel), connecting two other bodies of water, or meaning a position of distress.
gaw, i just hate it when people are illiterate. damn it people, pay attention in english class.
i just stumbled across one huge post by tbird, some bashing and lots of eats and numbers, and something about how a 5200 is the big stinker, and decided to stop reading.
why are we posting about the obvious? it's like beating a dead horse.
J
heh argueing over english? maybe you two should become professors for a college english class. and I wont bother with grammar here unless someone gives me an "A" for that ;)
Poor, poor tbird. Buying 2nd hand hardware and expecting top of the line performance. Which has been the case since the "Willy eater" to the present day "3dMark2001SE Whore" aka "3dmarks' biatch". I hope you stop buying crap and start getting the "good-stuff" before coming here and crying about a 3 point decrease in 3dmark or a 4fps decrease in quake 3. With this said, it's time to go to bed and the dreadful place known as school will open its doors for me once again. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
heh argueing over english? maybe you two should become professors for a college english class. and I wont bother with grammar here unless someone gives me an "A" for that ;)
Dang it, beaten down again. Hehe. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Thade
Caps at start of each sentence. I learned that in English. :)
J