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Yup, I finally solved my video card issues thanks to Un4given. I now have Counter-Strike running at 32bpp, 16xAF, and 6xAA, at 1280x960 resolution. I only get about 60-70 frams but hey, what they hell. The human eye only sees 72 frames per second anyways.
Heres a screen shot of my outcome:
https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2003/08/4.jpg
Thanks Again Un4given!!!
actually i think that the human eye can only tell up to 35 fps
hehe in a movie but not A 3d pc game. You want something more like 45+. What you realy want you frames at is the same as your refresh rate of your monitor. No more no less....Quote:
Originally posted by Figgaz
actually i think that the human eye can only tell up to 35 fps
what is that wou're using to show your frames per second?
is that a seperate program or is it actually in cs?
in CS, use the console
cl_showfps 1
edit: eyes can only see 24fps (that's what they use for TV and movies.
But it won't be enough in games because 24 won't be constant.
And that refresh rate issue might be in on it too.
I think how many "frames" eyes can see is different from how many FPS looks smooth.
umm, that doesn't seem logical
can you elaborate?
actually I think at around 12fps the eye becomes fooled but that may apply to movies, I dont think it mentioned itll be smooth though, just that itll look like motion. However around 30fps will make games smooth to me. If you are getting only 70fps, its your cpu holding you back. I dont have counterstrike but I get way over 300fps in quake3 and the fps is still 85 at 2048x1536x32 with max details :) and 132 in 1600x1200Quote:
Originally posted by Figgaz
actually i think that the human eye can only tell up to 35 fps
The human eye can distinguish more than 200 "images a second"
An example. When lightning flashes you actually see it for that split second and not a series of seconds. Also if you trust someone enough you can shoot a bullet across your field of vision and you will notice it pass your field of vision even if you dont know what your seeing.
There was a study done last year about this..I think its still floating around the web somewhere..
so do you still hate your radeon 9600?
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Originally posted by G_Dragon_
The human eye can distinguish more than 200 "images a second"
An example. When lightning flashes you actually see it for that split second and not a series of seconds. Also if you trust someone enough you can shoot a bullet across your field of vision and you will notice it pass your field of vision even if you dont know what your seeing.
There was a study done last year about this..I think its still floating around the web somewhere..
the flash illuminates the sky and the glow lasts like half a second anyway, reguardless if the physical bot is long gone. and DO not try the bullet thing, thats how people die. Guns are NOT toys! and reguardless of what you say, TV is smooth for me and so are games at 30ish fps
It's crazy to still see people talking about the "human only sees xxx frames". I think these threads come up atleast once a month :p
I can tell the diffrence between 30/60/150 FPS in games. GAMES are not MOVIES, in a video game you don't have motion blur like you do in real life. Therefore when TV brodcasts are at 30 FPS, it looks fine, but playing a game at 30 FPS is not the same. You have no motion blur to compensate for those "missing" frames. The Human eye easily can tell the difference in 30/100 FPS in a video game.
I have seen the difference accroding to the fps counter but otherwise I have no clue. I did an experment and used the max fps command. set it to.....
10.......quite blocky
15........somewhat blocky
20........slightly blocky, but can aim just fine
30.........smooth
over 30..........smooth, no difference for my eyes
If I get over 30fps, I raise the details since I can tell the difference with extra details :)
I can usually tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps.. Since when you are around 30fps, it might dip and cause a very noticable slowdown.. But I dont feel anyone would notice over 60fps.. I dont think you can tell the difference between 100fps and 150fps.. That is just crazy talk :D :D :)Quote:
Originally posted by JustWhitman
It's crazy to still see people talking about the "human only sees xxx frames". I think these threads come up atleast once a month :p
I can tell the diffrence between 30/60/150 FPS in games. GAMES are not MOVIES, in a video game you don't have motion blur like you do in real life. Therefore when TV brodcasts are at 30 FPS, it looks fine, but playing a game at 30 FPS is not the same. You have no motion blur to compensate for those "missing" frames. The Human eye easily can tell the difference in 30/100 FPS in a video game.
Not being able to tell the difference between 100 and 150 fps does not mean your eye can't sample 150 times a second.
Besides, I said 60 and 150. Not 100 and 150 :p :D. The difference between 100/150 is negligible, but 60/150 is a huge difference atleast IMO.
TBird, the reason your games seem alright at 30FPS could be a few factors. A)They might be slower paced games, slower paced games seem to require fewer FPS. B)The fact that you are locking your FPS at such a low rate, and the fact it never drops below 30 is a big factor. I'll bet if your FPS wasn't capped at 30, and it fluctuated between 20-40 (an average of 30) you wouldn't say 30FPS was alright ;)
It all really depends on the game, and the pace of the game though. 30FPs in something like Morrowind would be fine, where 30FPS in Quake3 would be terrible (and that doesnt take into consideration the physics changes that occur with the Q3 engine at certain FPS).
Glad to help. Sorry about giving you the wrong order on the command the first time. :)
It's astonishing, this topic has been brought up so many times and there are still people that have no clue.
Set your monitor's refresh rate to 30 (i don't even know if that is possible) and then try 60, then try 85. After doing that, look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that you can't see more than 30fps (or even 60fps! I pity u if that's what you have your refresh rate set at!).
Terry, Col, and Tbird have been around here long enough that they should've learned this. Col, if you don't think you can see over 60 do the exercise I suggested :). Might want to have some ibuprofen handy!
actually if you cover one eye, your more likely to notice a change in framerate..
keep in mind that the fps rating in a game is only an avg.
an avg 30fps can really stink 'cause you know its definitly dipping below 30 at some point and no less than half of the time...
that will likely be the "visible" part that most will notice.
That was exactly the point I was going to make. LOL! Everyone puts forward the 30FPS, because that is the speed that video runs at, I believe movies run at 24FPS, old movies run around 15FPS. The reason film looks smooth at those rates is because of the "motion blur" effect. The blur smooths the transition between frames. How fast would a white and black frame have to be exchanged to be preceived as gray? At 30 FPS you would get the strobe effect, at 60 it would look gray, but the image would seem bumpy. Once you got around 85 or so, you would start to see a stable image. This is a generalization, but should help people better understand what's going on.Quote:
Originally posted by Paladyr
Set your monitor's refresh rate to 30 (i don't even know if that is possible) and then try 60, then try 85. After doing that, look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that you can't see more than 30fps (or even 60fps! I pity u if that's what you have your refresh rate set at!).