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With that type of punishment possible( although I doubt he gets 10 yrs) why would anybody even consider creating a virus and releasing it. :confused:
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With that type of punishment possible( although I doubt he gets 10 yrs) why would anybody even consider creating a virus and releasing it. :confused:
they've got big balls, and in a way viruses can be good, showing weaknesses, forcing companies to fix such things, therefore making better security, etc. and it's just hard to control, for example, you can't have cars in the world without some being boosted, and car companies make better security features on cars. and i happen to be romanian, so power to him. although it sucks balls he helped screw assloads of networks. even though i never got it, and all he did was modify blaster, he didn't create it.
Virus writers are lamers. They should use their knowledge to improve software, not shut down systems. The test equipment at work got hit with the blaster, and I can tell you this for about 3 hours it was a real picnic. "rolleyes" BTW I don't work in the computer field, just use computer assisted test equipment in a factory. To H*** with all virus writers I hope they all get caught, and get their just rewards, whatever the courts give them.:mad:
you guys dont realize how much that guy was helping you. think if someone else released it before him. and they werent nearly as nice as him. they decide to slip in a little extra something so that it erases your hard drive. be thankful of how kind hearted this guy was. as long as you update your computer you will be fine anyway. just stay on top of the updates.
Sorry bromide,
I don't share your view. Doesn't matter that the virus was harmless to computers. Rebooting the computer every time I needed to run a test was a pain. About the updates, yeah our IT department fell asleep. I still say you write the virus, or amend it, you get caught, then you pay the price. Pure and simple. I have no love for virus writers.
There's always the guy who released a modified version of Blaster that automatically downloaded the Microsoft update, patched the system, then removed the other nasty versions of it, then deleted itself.
That person rules :)
no no, i agree that virus makers have no good intentions and should be punished accordingly, however, i think that we are lucky this guy got to making the virus before someone else did.Quote:
Originally posted by Elink7
Sorry bromide,
I don't share your view. Doesn't matter that the virus was harmless to computers. Rebooting the computer every time I needed to run a test was a pain. About the updates, yeah our IT department fell asleep. I still say you write the virus, or amend it, you get caught, then you pay the price. Pure and simple. I have no love for virus writers.
There are companies that hire people to hack their systems with viruses and then fix the loopholes in their software. I know for a fact Microsoft has people working on it.
Ok bromide,Quote:
Originally posted by bromide
no no, i agree that virus makers have no good intentions and should be punished accordingly, however, i think that we are lucky this guy got to making the virus before someone else did.
I will agree with that statement. And Alientank, I know about the people who hire others to try and break into their systems, and that is a whole different story. I am mainly talking about the virus writers who do "denial of service", write programs to back door your computer, and ones who can write viruses to wipe out your pc's hard drive. Back in the early 90's someone wrote a virus that put your cpu in a loop, that was intent on generating so much heat that your cpu burned up. Those are the ones I dislike, and have no use for.:mad:
i hardly see virus writers as doing anybody a favor..
if they were actually smart theyd create the fix not the problem..
thus doing good not harm..
i will always see them as creeps and jerks and pray that theyll end up in an aids infested prison with the perverbial 'bubba'..
to say that theyve done the world a favor is ludacris and some form of poorly aligned hero worship..
No, that person doesn't. The so-called good virus also bogged down networks.Quote:
Originally posted by Russell
There's always the guy who released a modified version of Blaster that automatically downloaded the Microsoft update, patched the system, then removed the other nasty versions of it, then deleted itself.
That person rules :)
Virus writers putting anything out in the wild is a bad thing. Can you imagine if there was a virus that rebooted computers all the time for every exploit out there?
Lucky it wasn't that bad? Ok. But it still wasn't good.
The main problem with this kid getting caught for the Blaster virus is now that they have someone they'll proboably give up the search for the real coder for the most part. I could care less about the kid they have, the guy I want to see in jail for a long time is the person who acutally created the exploit and started the whole thing.
The real virus coders aren't stupid. They are so dangerous because they have the skill and paitence to do some REAL damage without leaving a trace. Can you imagine if a worm like Blaster was coded so that it could spread almost undetectably and invisibly "patched" a backdoor into Windows? And the cracker kept the vulnerability secret. They could come and go as they please into any windows system connected to the internet. That's why a virus is scary, not because it shuts down some guy's system that was unpatched.
I cannot believe what I am reading...
How can anyone say that virus makers are doing it for the wellbeing of mankind????? PLEASE!!!
So its ok for a Hacker/Cracker to steal funds from your Bank Account because that will improve the banks security?
Come on how lame of an excuse are those!!!!
Virus makers only do it for one reason and one reason only!! To cause damage!!! Either it be some kind of malicious code or a backdoor or even a keylogging virus... A virus is created with malicious intent in mind.. I have no respect for Virus makers.. They should get 10+ years, Like the Melissa virus creator or the MSBlast or whatever...
FRY THEM!
Granted I do make money if a virus gets into a network I maintain, but it doesn’t look good on me or my clients, clients...
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if they were actually smart theyd create the fix not the problem..
a person is going to walk up to bill gates front door, say 'hey, i have no credentials or anything, but i have a fix for your software- yah big dumb goof you left a hole right here! now pay me.'
these hackers dont work for microsoft nor would they probably be able to be hired by them. they wouldnt benefit off making a fix, so they would rather wreck havok.
Yes but they can email MS with the problem they had discovered!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by bromide
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a person is going to walk up to bill gates front door, say 'hey, i have no credentials or anything, but i have a fix for your software- yah big dumb goof you left a hole right here! now pay me.'
these hackers dont work for microsoft nor would they probably be able to be hired by them. they wouldnt benefit off making a fix, so they would rather wreck havok.
And if MS does Drop the ball and ignore the email.. Someone else will create the virus.. So that guy would not be in trouble...
Just because the exploit is there.. Doesnt mean you take advantage of it!!!!
I'm going to have to say that what you say makes absolutely no sense at all. First of all, if the hacker is good enough to be the first to discover a security hole then I see no reason why Microsoft wouldn't WANT to hire him/her. They're obviously one of the best security experts out there and could start imporoving the OS right away.Quote:
Originally posted by bromide
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a person is going to walk up to bill gates front door, say 'hey, i have no credentials or anything, but i have a fix for your software- yah big dumb goof you left a hole right here! now pay me.'
these hackers dont work for microsoft nor would they probably be able to be hired by them. they wouldnt benefit off making a fix, so they would rather wreck havok.
And second, why does the person need to create an exploit for the secuirty hole and distribute it to make the problem go away? Microsoft fixed the RPC vulnerability weeks before Blaster hit. Microsoft has absolutely no motive for ignoring any possible vulnerability so why would they ignore the helpful hint from the hacker?
Two of my computers at work here got hit by virii, I've been in a stressful hell all week trying to fix it. It is now friday and I just got my main computer back up, and the other one is still acting weird. IMHO, all virus writers should skinned and drained of blood until they die. Or possibly get the plague or a really bad flu, maybe an in-grown toe nail for good measure. Just so long as they suffer.
And for the little pimply faced a$$ monkey who made the virus that infected my work's system, I've got a special torment for you.. drop by sometime and I'll demonstrate.
:mad:
There is only one good virus writer... and he's decomposing.
My wife's computer was slammed with a virus. Caused real headaches for her and me. I agree with Collossus. ANYBODY who thinks virus writers are "helping" us needs some serious couch time with a shrink!
i am not saying they should...i am just looking at it from their perspective...microsoft is not going to hire them just because they found one little loop hole....and i am sure that these people are not working hard to find the loopholes so that they can notify microsoft and go unnoticed. they probably are doing it to get attention and do something they think is 'grand' which in a way it is- just not a good 'grand'.Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
Yes but they can email MS with the problem they had discovered!!!!
And if MS does Drop the ball and ignore the email.. Someone else will create the virus.. So that guy would not be in trouble...
Just because the exploit is there.. Doesnt mean you take advantage of it!!!!
i am misunderstood, i am not supporting these virus creators, just trying to point out that i am sure they are not volunteer microsoft workers.
The only respect I have for Virus Makers is similar to the respect I have for Hackers/Crackers...
Is that they are talented at what they do... But more then often use it for the wrong purpose...
Yes companies high Security experts to hack into their setup.. But they were given permission to do so...
I dont know about you but lets weigh the options :D
A. Find loophole, develop virus, get caught sooner or later.. Jail time...
B. Find loophole, work with MS by informing them of the problem (probably wont get paid for it), Life at home...
I dont know its a hard choice for me to make!! Do I want A or B :D
clever qute and sarcastic...just how i like it.Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
I dont know about you but lets weigh the options :D
A. Find loophole, develop virus, get caught sooner or later.. Jail time...
B. Find loophole, work with MS by informing them of the problem (probably wont get paid for it), Life at home...
I dont know its a hard choice for me to make!! Do I want A or B :D
lets put it this way-
you personally- would you go out spend hours upon hours of your time to find a loop hole and just show microsoft expecting nothing in return, when you could be doing other things.
-OR-
would you NOT waste your time searching for these loop holes, and still be free, since you cant be punished for not trying to find ways that microsoft has messed up.
I would probably not waste my time :D
But if he did waste his time, what do they exspect to get?
What develop the virus to take advantage of a loophole and have what Microsoft say "Oh wow, We didnt see that... Here is $6000"
Yeah uh huh... What can any possible outcome for creating a virus other then being caught and prosecuted?
In the long run, virus writing are forcing security technology to progress. Progress would be at a stand still without any needs. Many times these needs are a result of safety and security but the end product produced benefits us in other ways as well. If it wasn't for WWII and the Cold War, we probably wouldn't have satellites and nuclear power plants and even a space program. WWII and the Cold War acted as an incentive for scientists to develop new technologies.
That is just 100% BS...Quote:
Originally posted by AMD_Man
In the long run, virus writing are forcing security technology to progress. Progress would be at a stand still without any needs. Many times these needs are a result of safety and security but the end product produced benefits us in other ways as well. If it wasn't for WWII and the Cold War, we probably wouldn't have satellites and nuclear power plants and even a space program. WWII and the Cold War acted as an incentive for scientists to develop new technologies.
Virus does not help promote anything! Like what was already mentioned there was already a patch for the MSBlast virus before it was released...
Also most virus will do nothing but damaged the data on the HD... Which still hasnt resolved to promote anything, The only thing it did was allow the antivirus makers create a detection of it.. But not fix it.. Such as my favorite virus.. The Form C bootsector virus...
Virus: A program or code that replicates; that is, infects another program, boot sector, partition sector, or document that supports macros, by inserting itself or attaching itself to that medium. Most viruses only replicate, though, many do a large amount of damage as well.Quote:
Originally posted by Colossus
That is just 100% BS...
Virus does not help promote anything! Like what was already mentioned there was already a patch for the MSBlast virus before it was released...
Also most virus will do nothing but damaged the data on the HD... Which still hasnt resolved to promote anything, The only thing it did was allow the antivirus makers create a detection of it.. But not fix it.. Such as my favorite virus.. The Form C bootsector virus...
Worm: A program that makes copies of itself; for example, from one disk drive to another, or by copying itself using email or another transport mechanism. The worm may do damage and compromise the security of the computer. It may arrive in the form of a joke program or software of some sort.
MSBLAST was a worm, not a virus. ...And in a way it did do a good thing, it forced people to update Windows. A worm could have been written that would erase the windows directory and spread the same way though the RPC exploit. We were all very lucky that MSBLAST didn’t do just that.