NFS: Underground

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09-23-2003, 06:58 PM
Psycho Evangelion

NFS: Underground

well, this game looks pretty cool. Being able to tune real cars instead of the crazy ones that we fantasize about. However, there are a few things that turned me off after reading the PCGamer preview.

1. They can't spell "Subaru Impreza" it's impreza, not imprezza.
2. They're modeling it after TFATF(The Fast and the Furious) which automatically makes it rice and stupid. I can just imagine story mode: "You better double clutch and not granny shift or you'll fry your piston rings. OOPS! Too soon junior!":rolleyes:
3. There are only 20 cars
4. The tuning shops are all big name RICE shops, like HKS, NOS, GReddy, etc. We want more specialized tuners, like Scoobysport, STi, Proline, and Spoon.(You can tell i have a subaru bias)

That's nearly it, it better have a good physics model, we dont want another hot pursuit 2.

interest level: 4/10

EDIT: Momo will be included in the game, the italian company. That redeems it from rice a little. I also would like the tuning in the game to be realistic, not gran turismo like. I mean real life realistic. Like adding a Jackson Racing supercharger and intake still only allows you to put down around 150 fwhp with the d17y8 engine in the 1997 civic ex. I want complete tuning abilities, like being able to remap the ecu. I DON'T want one turbo to suddenly add 500 hp.
09-23-2003, 07:47 PM
Beefster39

Re: NFS: Underground

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Originally posted by Psycho Evangelion
well, this game looks pretty cool. Being able to tune real cars instead of the crazy ones that we fantasize about. However, there are a few things that turned me off after reading the PCGamer preview.

1. They can't spell "Subaru Impreza" it's impreza, not imprezza.
2. They're modeling it after TFATF(The Fast and the Furious) which automatically makes it rice and stupid. I can just imagine story mode: "You better double clutch and not granny shift or you'll fry your piston rings. OOPS! Too soon junior!":rolleyes:
3. There are only 20 cars
4. The tuning shops are all big name RICE shops, like HKS, NOS, GReddy, etc. We want more specialized tuners, like Scoobysport, STi, Proline, and Spoon.(You can tell i have a subaru bias)

I don't like TFATF but I think they based it on that to gain a wider population of gamers. Of course, this turns off gamers like me so I guess we'll how it does... I personally wish they would go back to the old formula for NFS which was: Semi-arcade type racing, Fast cars, and unique and interesting tracks. Add a good physics engine and it's perfect :) . All imo of course...

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Originally posted by Psycho Evangelion
EDIT: Momo will be included in the game, the italian company. That redeems it from rice a little. I also would like the tuning in the game to be realistic, not gran turismo like. I mean real life realistic. Like adding a Jackson Racing supercharger and intake still only allows you to put down around 150 fwhp with the d17y8 engine in the 1997 civic ex. I want complete tuning abilities, like being able to remap the ecu. I DON'T want one turbo to suddenly add 500 hp.

Although I don't think that this will happen but it would be great to have a Gran Turismo on PC :D . Though I think this is gonna be like a pseudo- Gran Turismo which could be good or bad depending on how you view it.
09-23-2003, 08:07 PM
kpxgq

theres nothing wrong with a riced out racing game if its implemented right... Tokyo Extreme Racer Series

this game isnt meant to be a super sim like GT3.. its called nfs "UNDERGROUND".. of course its gonna be modeled after the rice/street racing scene
09-23-2003, 09:12 PM
Soldier_Of_Evil

Well NFS has always been about the arcade experience and this just takes it up a notch, god knows if it is fast and fun ill get it.
09-23-2003, 10:58 PM
angomeka

when does it come out?
09-24-2003, 02:56 AM
Psycho Evangelion

Quote:

Originally posted by kpxgq
theres nothing wrong with a riced out racing game if its implemented right... Tokyo Extreme Racer Series

this game isnt meant to be a super sim like GT3.. its called nfs "UNDERGROUND".. of course its gonna be modeled after the rice/street racing scene

only recently has street racing and rice gone hand in hand. Before, it was all good. then TFATF came along and suddenly, everyone had super cars that won them cash at events on deserted city streets. As for the physics engine, if it was anthing like porsche unleashed, then i am satisfied. i am very wary of the upgrade system.
"I'll take the helicopter blade spoiler, the ooglay body kit, and the HKS BOV for my non turbo civic please. Oh, and some Japanese Domestic Market Lights and seats on the side!"
09-24-2003, 07:17 AM
Kamakazie

NFS has always been about a more unrealistic arcade experience rather than a simulation, with the exception being Porsche Unleashed (arguably the best title in the series).

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it better have a good physics model, we dont want another hot pursuit 2

You should give the PS2 version a try, the physics model is MUCH better.
And if you're just basing it on the realism factor - it was an arcade racer!
09-24-2003, 06:18 PM
Mrfreddio55

I cant say that there has been a better NFS game since Porsche Unleashed. I'm hoping that this one will be better than HP2, I really was not impressed with that game at all. I guess we'll see... do they have it listed when the game is coming out yet?
09-26-2003, 08:49 PM
Psycho Evangelion

Quote:

Originally posted by Kamakazie
NFS has always been about a more unrealistic arcade experience rather than a simulation, with the exception being Porsche Unleashed (arguably the best title in the series).

You should give the PS2 version a try, the physics model is MUCH better.
And if you're just basing it on the realism factor - it was an arcade racer!

That's very true. I hear the PS2 version is vastly superior to all of the others.

BTW: Does anyone know of any realistic Gran Turismo type games on PC? I am dying for such a game. If they ported gran turismo 3 or released GT4 on pc, i would die and go to heaven.:D
09-26-2003, 09:06 PM
VoiceOfReason

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Originally posted by Mrfreddio55
I cant say that there has been a better NFS game since Porsche Unleashed.

My sentiments exactly. I bought that game back when I had a 500MHz Compaq Presario and it blew me away.
09-26-2003, 09:13 PM
commanderkeen

Re: NFS: Underground

Quote:

Originally posted by Psycho Evangelion
EDIT: Momo will be included in the game, the italian company. That redeems it from rice a little. I also would like the tuning in the game to be realistic, not gran turismo like. I mean real life realistic. Like adding a Jackson Racing supercharger and intake still only allows you to put down around 150 fwhp with the d17y8 engine in the 1997 civic ex. I want complete tuning abilities, like being able to remap the ecu. I DON'T want one turbo to suddenly add 500 hp.

From what I could make out from the features list it sounds like complete tuning is out of the question. It's gonna be win/buy this part and put it in, or that's what I believe it is.

Damn, when will we ever return to games like streetrod??? where you can actually chop a top, strip the bumpers off, tune the engine, replace major components with better ones!!
09-27-2003, 02:08 AM
Jagermeister

I'm too lazy to quote people all the time, so I'll just post my responses.

Yes, the rice factor in NFS: Underground will be of the new type. Meaning TFATF style. However, since A LOT of people (not me) are into this stuff... the game will most definately sell well. As a marketing move to make more money EA is doing good.

Another point is this:
racing games, for some reason, never really went too good on the PC. Sure there is Colin McRae series (even though each one has MAJOR flaws), and smaller great titles such as Rally Trophy (best rally game ever, IMO). There is also the HUGE NFS line... which only has ONE good game: Porsche Unleashed. IMO, the other ones suck. I've played them all. However, there is ony smaller game that is better than ANY racing for the PC, EVER! Live For Speed. Download it now, play it. Then buy it. There is also stuff like Generally :D but that's just for fun... not real simulation. Another reason for the lack of good racing games for the PC is the age factor. Most adults already own a real car, and don't really a driving/racing sim, while the people that own consoles are ususally younger people that don't yet own a car. I've owned about 5 consoles, now I'm 16, and I've sold them all (in the process of selling my PS2 to buy a barton/pc3200/slk800 - you know what will come later ;) ) . They just stopped appealing to me. The PC has taken me over.

Admit it folks, you just feel more at home at a PC when your left hand is on the left side of the keyboard navigating around the WASD keys whilst your right hand is resting on the mouse. It just feels better that way.
09-29-2003, 02:35 AM
Psycho Evangelion

you're right. Live for Speed is the best racing game i have ever played on pc. thanks for reminding me.
09-29-2003, 03:11 PM
Weedkiller420

If you would like to explain how greddy and hks are rice would love read it?

Just becouse a movie has stickers on cars of that company does not make it rice.
09-29-2003, 05:00 PM
Soldier_Of_Evil

I agree. It is merely advertising which is needed for the company to get sales. HKS leaves me in disbelief every time they release a modified Lancer...
09-29-2003, 10:36 PM
Jagermeister

It's rice because of how people use it. When a person takes a greddy or HKS exhaust with an oversized muffler (aka FART CAN), and puts on his civic... making the civic rice. Now, it's rice. The companies are not rice, what people do with their products is rice. Then the now full blown ricer, goes "Yo, dawg, I got my HKS exhaust straight up from Japan... for an additional 50 horsepower". That's just AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. But, yeah, since this is not a car forum, I won't really go into that.

The movie comes into play as a catalyst of sorts, there were people who were modifying their civics before TFATF, however they were just mere modders like everyone else. After the movie the epidemic began. People realized that it's (supposedly) "cool", neon lights, Type-ARRR shift knobs, JDM mirrors, began filling up Kragen, Pep Boys, etc. That's how the movie comes into place. It basically made the current definition of "rice" just that.
09-29-2003, 10:55 PM
Soldier_Of_Evil

Quote:

Originally posted by Jagermeister
It's rice because of how people use it. When a person takes a greddy or HKS exhaust with an oversized muffler (aka FART CAN), and puts on his civic... making the civic rice. Now, it's rice. The companies are not rice, what people do with their products is rice. Then the now full blown ricer, goes "Yo, dawg, I got my HKS exhaust straight up from Japan... for an additional 50 horsepower". That's just AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. But, yeah, since this is not a car forum, I won't really go into that.

The movie comes into play as a catalyst of sorts, there were people who were modifying their civics before TFATF, however they were just mere modders like everyone else. After the movie the epidemic began. People realized that it's (supposedly) "cool", neon lights, Type-ARRR shift knobs, JDM mirrors, began filling up Kragen, Pep Boys, etc. That's how the movie comes into place. It basically made the current definition of "rice" just that.

You have the wrong image of rice. It does not depend on the car at all. There are some civics that can blow the doors off a viper easy (in fact i can dig a link about one later, it ran quarter mile in less than 9 seconds), but when all the person has is a giant exhaust, and cosmetic touches and thats it, then its rice. Most ACTUAL racers dont mess witht he apperance that much at all, the most they do is put on stickers of companies whos parts went into the vehicle just out of gratitude.
09-30-2003, 02:02 AM
Psycho Evangelion

What makes it rice is that they are all big name tuners catering to the 17-27 demographic. They know that kids are going to buy their stuff and put them on their "fast" cars. The fact that they encourage this type of parts use is what gets me. It's also the consumers fault. They choose to take these companies products and do stupid things with them, they give a bad image to everyone else. This happened with NOS. Respectable company, appeared in TFATF, suddenly, every teenage kid wants "NOS" (a freakin company, not nitrous) on their car. I understand there are some serious cars that have 0 rice whatsoever, unfortunately, a large majority is just a bunch of wannabe kids who just want to look fast, which is why i criticized the choice of large tuners. Small tuners have yet to be hit by this ricer craze. Small companies such as Cobb, ScoobySport, Vishnu.

Nobody is saying that all civics are rice, my dad owns a civic. But most that want to look fast are. I saw the video of the civic beating the viper. Rest assured, that thing is not a civic. No way anyone can squeeze that much power out of the B16. Either a swap or a massive turbo. And let me tell you something. I could take my family's minivan, and beat a viper at the drag strip. let me tell you how. Driver skill. If the guy driving the viper cant hook up at the start, he just spins his rear wheels and goes nowhere. And if after 15.9 seconds, (yes, our van runs a 15.9 1/4)he cant get past the finish line, i've already won. Driver skill is 80% of drag racing, even more so in autocross and track events. And not all drivers of expensive cars our skilled. Example: My mom's old landlord got a new viper srt-10. I dont even know if the guy can drive a manual. He does not heed break in and instead does 120 on the freeway. something tells me he revved to high, because he blew his brand new 10 cylinder viper engine. Now he's getting new racing crap to put into it. Possibly to be ready for another engine blow.

That's my rant.