my winchester is a newcastle accroding to cpu-z

People told me I had a winchester based on the stepping. Well guess what:



So anyway it was easier than I thought to assemble the mobo and insert the winchester(ha!) I used the same hdd without reinstalling anything and it went fine. Yes you guys are dying to know the overclock, well heres it: 2.6GHz at 1.5(1.52v overvolt) with stock heatsink/fan! However it just hits a wall right there. I cant even load windows at 2.7GHz and 1.6v and at 2.64GHz ill get into windows but itll crash if I load anything. Raising the volts to 1.55 did not help. Seems like anything over 1.5x volts does nothing further. I checked CPU-z(June edition) and it reports my cpu as a newcastle 130nm! GRRR this makes me mad! I was like ok so it overclocks as good as my 3200+ s754 newcastle. I insert my best stick in and it wont get to windows at 240fsb. 235 crashes, 230 is fine. This is disturbing since I could do 250fsb on my 2800+ and 240 on my 3200+ wow this 3000+ newcastle's ondie controller really sucks! I inserted another stick and it wont even post in dual channel! removed one stick, set fsb to 200, t-2 command rate, put the other stick in again and no post! All this for nothing and I end up with a s939(s754 in disguise) newcastle that overclocks no better than my 3200+ either. The overclock is not too shabby but I wanted a dual channel winchester, not a single channel newcastle!!!!!!!!!!


I am happy with my overclock but I wanted a winchester with dual channel support! Not bad for a newcastle though! That newcastle arent doing 3GHz. Well it has come to my attention that maybe my sticks arent compatable in dual channel? Both are corsair value but were purchased at different times so the chips themselves could be different brands which corsair buys cheaply for value ram. One stick is rated cas3 the other 2.5 but both do 230fsb 2.5 to my knowlege. Tried the stronger stick at ras-cas2 185fsb, got to windows than crashed. wow. I was thinking of TCCD but it would be miralicious to hit 290fsb and the 166 divider puts the ram at only 236, meh! My better option is get crucial(value) and its almost certain ill hit 200fsb(133 divider) at ras-cas2 which would be 99% as good as TCCD run at 166 divider cause TCCD does not have ras-cas2 timings at higher fsb. If I get lucky, ill do 150 divider and run the crucial at 216MHz :D but I may need matching sticks for dual channel so ill need to buy new or buy from someone that guarantees dual channel

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Originally posted by rabidmoose171
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Ouch...

do not go to drawer with the gun......................:mad:

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"this 3000+ newcastle's ondie controller really sucks!"

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how would you know this, your ram is good for maybe 235/240 tops, as per you......................

get the frigging TCCD stuffs, you will see a whole new world of FSB clocking @1/1.

oh, i forgot, i and many others told you to get the stuffs already.........................:(

i am a bit confused though, i thought you got a winchester, now you say it is a newcastle, have you thought to contact the retailer you got the cpu from??

and i read that you determined it was a 130 part, not 90??? if so, you should be contacting the vendor, yes???????????

baldy

I just put my corsair for sale while I think what to do next. I would have kept it if it did dual channel but I needed matching sticks. If I do buy tccd, the guy that sells me will need to guarantee 280fsb at 2.7v(?) or its going right back. as for my cpu, I will try other cpu-i programs but I may just get a new winchester with SS soon, amd is making them with SS and those supposedly oc higher. I just need 10x or higher multi this time since my mobos only capable of ~300fsb, tried 310fsb and its too high for the mobo to handle.

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If I do buy tccd, the guy that sells me will need to guarantee 280fsb at 2.7v

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you pop for PC4800 stuffs (doubtfull), 280 guaranteed is not reasonable.

the PC4400 Gskill (LE stuffs) is guaranteed to 275, 2.5,3,3,7.

you will get better results running with the 2x256 kit, especially since all you do is bitzch, err, i mean bench. if you get the 2x512 kit, you are setting yourself up for another disappointment as they WILL not CLOCK as high in dual channel (which is what you want so desparately).

get the Gskill from Digi4me, the $140 LE kit (PC4400/PC3200). i will tell you this, if you have a problem, their tech support (Gskill, not Digi4me) is instant, i know this as i am now talking to them about something else i have brewing.......

baldy

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b, darn double postage.

Try this rev of CPU-Z. 11/15/04, might pick up your rev better. Also, definately make sure you are using latest bios rev, and yes, I think you need matched sticks for DC. Good luck!

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Originally posted by mikead_99
Try this rev of CPU-Z. 11/15/04, might pick up your rev better. Also, definately make sure you are using latest bios rev, and yes, I think you need matched sticks for DC. Good luck!

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yea, i told him to update CPU-Z last night, but he refuses for some reason...

I unplugged my "winchester" rig and am selling my corsair value for some crucial pc3200 if I can find, else gonna buy a dual channel kit new unless I find used. I will get TCCD when amd improves their ondie controller performance, no need to bug me, its a when, not an if.

You have a winchester core, the june did not have the settings to detect a winchester core. Just face it, you got an avrage core. Get a 1GB of OCZ Rev2, some cheap DT43 Hynix chips, or something on those lines and play some games. Give up beching, your just avrage in the sea of all these hardcore benchers with baker blocks, dual cascades, unlimited funds to spend of the right cpu. Just give it up and be happy with what you have. My god, ppl will kill to have what you have. Its a sweet setup that justs needs some decent ram, and a new video card(Mabey, 9700Pro's are getting on the slower side imo)

I am in no way disapointed with 2.6GHz and people tell me its above average too. good to know its winchester like you and others have said, I paid for one, I expect one :) I dont care that I wont have 30k for a while, I compete with slower cards and I am gonna break 20k all air with ti4200 and be close to top of orb with it. you say ti4200 is too slow, now softmodded 9500 is too slow? well my next gpu will be pci-e not gonna get stuck with an agp card when agp is on the demise.

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I am in no way disapointed with 2.6GHz and people tell me its above average too.

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I think 2.6 on the winchester would be an average.

btw what cooling are you using? you can't really expect a 1ghz+ overclock with stock cooling.

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btw what cooling are you using? you can't really expect a 1ghz+ overclock with stock cooling.

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he is running with the stock heatsink, updated with a tornado 80mm fan, the last i read.

yeah, springing for a 948u or xp120 or even the xp90 will help, they all can be purchased fanless, so he can use his present fan.......

baldy:D

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Originally posted by Thunderbird1GHz
I am in no way disapointed with 2.6GHz and people tell me its above average too. good to know its winchester like you and others have said, I paid for one, I expect one :) I dont care that I wont have 30k for a while, I compete with slower cards and I am gonna break 20k all air with ti4200 and be close to top of orb with it. you say ti4200 is too slow, now softmodded 9500 is too slow? well my next gpu will be pci-e not gonna get stuck with an agp card when agp is on the demise.

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Yes... a softmodded 9500 is slow. We have told you that your TI4200 was too slow 2 product cycles ago. Now you think a 9500 is fast, when it is already 2 years old, your quest to be the cream of the crop is hilarious, when you don't accept that you need cream of the crop parts. Also, as a side-note, agp is going to be around for a bit longer.

Tbird, this is one of your more useless posts. :o

TBird is purdy funny fellas. Always the bencher, with under-par hardware, unwilling to take common-sense advice.

T, do you ever do anything BUT benching?

Ok I will show proof, but first things first:

http://www.madshrimps.be/articles/GS...-jmke-4695.png

I checked the reviews and 75MHz extra ram clocks with keeping the cpu equal only gains 630 marks and this is on a 6800gt too. 550MHz gains 3121 marks. Thus we can infer that the gains are 8.4 marks per MHz higher ram clock and 5.7 marks per cpu MHz. Thus if I get tccd and I am forced to run 280x9=2.52GHz vs. 290x9=2.61 but ram at 236 let me do the math: 90MHz cpu clocks is 513 marks while from 236 to 280 is 44MHz higher on the ram which is worth 370 marks. Thus I would lose 513 marks cause of lower cpu clocks but gain back 370 marks cause of higher ram clocks. Lets do the math what fsb with tccd id need to match 290x9 with my corsair value I got running async. each fsb gains 8.4 marks ramwise and 51.3 marks cpu wise for a total of ~60 marks. 513-370=143 marks so I would need 283fsb 1:1 to be 37 marks ahead of 290fsb async with ram at 236. 282 would be 23 marks behind. My odds of hitting 290fsb 1:1 is very small as proved here:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d=1#post581864

Charlie, a well known and respected member of XS hit 310 single channel but only 255 dual channel. Others have also gotten around what he got. a lucky few have hit 280-290 dual channel but the odds are very small. I would need 283+ dual channel just to be ahead of corsair value at 290x9 async since my winchester does just over 2.6GHz and the loss of cpu MHz costs you alot. There is a big price difference between my corsair value and TCCD for a slim chance of getting ahead and even if I do get ahead, my gpu is slower than a 6800gt so I will not gain as much as he did. The overall total is 630 marks going 200fsb to 275fsb and thats on a 6800gt. 8.4 marks per MHz on the ram, if I somehow get 290x9 on tccd, it will only be 44fsb or 370 marks on a fast gpu. on my gpu, its probably gonna be a little less, maybe 300 marks or so. When I am already well over 20k marks, I just dont care much about another 300 and if I did, I need only ~65 MHz more on the cpu to gain my 300 marks. 65MHz more is 2.5% boost in performance. Thus if I luck out and hit 290x9 with tccd, I will gain 2.5% overall performance in games and 3dmark. This small gain is most likley not even noticable in games and not even huge in benchmarks either. I would be better off spending my $ on a faster cpu or gpu before I buy tccd ram. Whew I hope I explained myself well and the logic for it :) by the way I checked reviews like this:

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=get...97&articID=254

max oc his ondie controller got him was 275 at ras-cas3 or 285 at ras-cas4(but 285 wasnt 100% stable either) This would make it a waste of $300 for tccd just to sidegrade. I could sell my winchester for $150 and buy more and keep the best one, reselling the others for a $20 loss and theres a good chance ill gain higher cpu clocks if the next winchester ocs better. However I am not going thru winchesters, just stated an example. another thing I could do is sell my softmodded 9500np for like $100 and add another $300 for an x800pro or 6800gt and ill come ahead. tccd and my 9500np isnt gonna be quite as fast as corsair value and a faster gpu, yet both cost the same! my funds are limited so I must choose the best path and right now I simply will wait for prices to drop, stuff to become faster.

why dont you just buy a stupid 6800gt, quit doing your maths. no one cares what kinda scores you get... seriously.

i am feeling a lot of negativity in your post, almost as if you want to give up by pointing out every negative situation you can. there are an equal amount of success stories posted, aptly pointed out by many already, but you refuse to acknowledge them............................

you just can't walk into a situation with inferior components, fail, then make blanket statements about failure and not being able to attain lofty clockage.

success takes research and the finest components to give yourself a fair chance, i question both in your case, it is unfair to draw comparisons based on your flawed/limited attempts at success.

if you want something, beating around the bush doesn't get it............sorry.

baldy:D

Tbird, I want to see your MX440 go back in your rig and for you to set a top 5 score in 3DMark 99 with your Winchester.

I was wondering why T'bird had started going religious on us by posting one of ten commandments, with an image to back it up but now I just see it's the image displayed for linking to one of their images!

John