Thoughts on these 22" LCDS

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10-15-2006, 01:16 AM
XJ

Thoughts on these 22" LCDS

Well I have been thinking about getting these monster Dells for a while now, but I have such a hard time throwing that much money at it. http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...opnav=&browse=

Any thoughts on these two 22"s I'm drawn towards the viewsonic for the name but just looking spec wise the sceptre is looking better. I know specs can be deceiving so I thought I would hit you guys up for optinions

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...CatHome&pos=13
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...opnav=&browse=

They are much cheaper than the 24" inch so they are pretty appealing. I might jump on one soon here. Unfortunately the resolution is the same as 20"
screens.

I have seen and used (for short periods of time) a few Sceptres being gamed on that were higher response times and they seemed fine to me, but I am a pretty hard core CRT FPS gamer.

I have been holding out forever with dual 17" trinitrons and it's been getting harder and harder to hold on and not buy something new.
10-15-2006, 02:46 AM
mikeysg

Actually, I've gamed on LCD with 16ms and 8ms response time and I fail to see any ghosting, but then, I'm over 40 and my eyes ain't as good as they used to be.:o Don't go for 30" or bigger screens as once you go big, there's just no turning back. For myself, I can't even consider any monitor that <30" in size, it'd be too small for me. :( Between the two, the Sceptre looks better coz of contrast ratio and the extra HDMI port.....not sure about their reliable when compared to Viewsonic coz I don't have Sceptre in my part of the world (like, what else is new?! :( )

Here's an example of what I'm used to now, 37" baby!!! -
https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/...2006/10/34.jpg

Edited to include pic.... :o
Oh yes, I believe Samsung has released 19" - 22" WS models that are HDCP compliant as well. You might wanna check those out. ;)
10-15-2006, 02:50 PM
XJ

Well I ordered the Sceptre. I figure the lower resolution could be a good thing.
This way I won't have to constantly have a bleeding edge computer to play games at the native resolution.

Bummer though for windows and such, but I can always still use a second monitor to help with that.

Hey and it's Costco so I can always walk in and return the thing if I don't like it.

I always feel bad about buying things the next day. I'm the king of buyers remorse. :p
10-15-2006, 03:14 PM
Isezumi

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeysg

Actually, I've gamed on LCD with 16ms and 8ms response time and I fail to see any ghosting, but then, I'm over 40 and my eyes ain't as good as they used to be.:o Don't go for 30" or bigger screens as once you go big, there's just no turning back. For myself, I can't even consider any monitor that <30" in size, it'd be too small for me. :( Between the two, the Sceptre looks better coz of contrast ratio and the extra HDMI port.....not sure about their reliable when compared to Viewsonic coz I don't have Sceptre in my part of the world (like, what else is new?! :( )

Here's an example of what I'm used to now, 37" baby!!! -
https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/...2006/10/34.jpg

Edited to include pic.... :o
Oh yes, I believe Samsung has released 19" - 22" WS models that are HDCP compliant as well. You might wanna check those out. ;)

Man, now I wanna play Doom 3 in my living room :(

Thanks a bunch Mike.
10-15-2006, 04:11 PM
Chuck232

Quote:

Originally Posted by XJ

Well I have been thinking about getting these monster Dells for a while now, but I have such a hard time throwing that much money at it. http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...opnav=&browse=

Any thoughts on these two 22"s I'm drawn towards the viewsonic for the name but just looking spec wise the sceptre is looking better. I know specs can be deceiving so I thought I would hit you guys up for optinions

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...CatHome&pos=13
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...opnav=&browse=

They are much cheaper than the 24" inch so they are pretty appealing. I might jump on one soon here. Unfortunately the resolution is the same as 20"
screens.

I have seen and used (for short periods of time) a few Sceptres being gamed on that were higher response times and they seemed fine to me, but I am a pretty hard core CRT FPS gamer.

I have been holding out forever with dual 17" trinitrons and it's been getting harder and harder to hold on and not buy something new.

I think all the 22" panels are the same anyways, TN panels, so they should be fine for FPS. Just watch for backlight bleeding.

I mean I used to play UT2003 with you back in the day on a CRT and I wouldn't move to a LCD until recently when I picked up a 20" LCD. I'm pretty happy with gaming on it. There doesn't seem to be any ghosting or tearing at all.

Hard core FPS gamer? :p
10-15-2006, 04:21 PM
crUSAder767

When you say no "tearing" on lcd, are you running with vsync enabled? I find that's only way I can play on my lcd is to enable it...
10-15-2006, 05:00 PM
PCJ

I don't see why people are so anal about LCD specs. I'm playing games on my Thinkpad T60p at 1600x1200 and don't even notice how much the LCD sucks.
10-15-2006, 05:48 PM
XJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck232

I think all the 22" panels are the same anyways, TN panels, so they should be fine for FPS. Just watch for backlight bleeding.

I mean I used to play UT2003 with you back in the day on a CRT and I wouldn't move to a LCD until recently when I picked up a 20" LCD. I'm pretty happy with gaming on it. There doesn't seem to be any ghosting or tearing at all.

Hard core FPS gamer? :p

Well I used to be anyway work has kinda gotten in the way. Definitely will be back in it when ut2007 comes out. I was refering to first person shooter. Not sure what the ? is maybe you thought I meant frames per second?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCJ

I don't see why people are so anal about LCD specs. I'm playing games on my Thinkpad T60p at 1600x1200 and don't even notice how much the LCD sucks.

I'm not so anal about LCD specs as they have come a long way, but I am concerned about getting a good product for my money since I tend to hold onto my monitors for a long time.
10-15-2006, 09:17 PM
Chuck232

Quote:

Originally Posted by XJ

Well I used to be anyway work has kinda gotten in the way. Definitely will be back in it when ut2007 comes out. I was refering to first person shooter. Not sure what the ? is maybe you thought I meant frames per second?

I was just poking some fun at you since you wouldn't join up with out UT2003 clan back in the day. ;) You know... some of the old timers went back to play UT2003 BR, myself included.
10-16-2006, 12:19 AM
bugspop1

XJ,
I just recently upgraded from a 19" Sceptre (went to a 20" Samsung WideScreen) . I really liked the Sceptre! I gave it to my dad for his grandchildren that live with him. They have 2 computers, 1 Dell 4600 with 19" Dell LCD. The other computer is an older computer which is the one that got the Sceptre. My dad's wife and one of the girls commented on how sharp the picture on the Sceptre was. I had to agree, the picture looked much sharper than the Dell LCD. I can't remember the model number on the Dell LCD. My point is, I think you'll like the Sceptre just fine!
10-16-2006, 01:18 AM
XJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck232

I was just poking some fun at you since you wouldn't join up with out UT2003 clan back in the day. ;) You know... some of the old timers went back to play UT2003 BR, myself included.

Yeah I saw you mention it a while back in the games forums. I'm just insanely
busy with work right now haven't had much time for gaming. How are you guys setting up games? I don't have a copy of ut2003 now but I might pick one up if I see it for cheap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bugspop1

XJ,
I just recently upgraded from a 19" Sceptre (went to a 20" Samsung WideScreen) . I really liked the Sceptre! I gave it to my dad for his grandchildren that live with him. They have 2 computers, 1 Dell 4600 with 19" Dell LCD. The other computer is an older computer which is the one that got the Sceptre. My dad's wife and one of the girls commented on how sharp the picture on the Sceptre was. I had to agree, the picture looked much sharper than the Dell LCD. I can't remember the model number on the Dell LCD. My point is, I think you'll like the Sceptre just fine!

Glad to hear it Bugspop1. I wonder if it is going ot have the glossy screen not sure I'm a big fan of that since they don't seem to be as good with glare.

Saw this is coming out, but probably going to be more than I want to spend on a monitor http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/...x24wg_Naga.htm
10-23-2006, 01:35 PM
XJ

:(

Well I got my Sceptre today. I set it up at work to take a quick look at it and.... stuck/dead pixel :( Of course this happened because this is my first jump into the LCD world :P

So it seems like I have read before that some stuck pixels can fix themselves like certain colors meant certain things as to whether it was dead or stuck. Or I could just be crazy.

Anyway it's about 3 1/2 inches in from the left site almost center heightwise :(

Any thoughts? I think it is light blue, but it could be white and my eyes are playing tricks on me.

edit: there may be light at the end of the tunnel.... http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Stuck-P...an-LCD-Monitor
I can only hope.

Other than the dead pixel it's looking nice so far but I won't be able to fully judge it till i get it home to test it more thoroughly. The stand is kinda crapy ,but I knew that was going to be the case and have already planed to pickup an adjustable one.
10-23-2006, 09:44 PM
Chuck232

Hmmm, you did buy it from Costco right? If you make a big fuss about it, will they exchange it for you?

How's the screen aside from that stuck pixel? Any backlight bleeding?
10-23-2006, 09:53 PM
OpStar

I just ordered the Sceptre this morning for my lil bro's birthday present. He turns 11 next month.

As for returns, yeah you can return anything from Costco.com to the retail store for a full refund including shipping cost.
10-23-2006, 11:04 PM
LordVampyre

XJ... over on majorgeeks.com they have had a program that tries to fix stuck pixels.. might head over there and see if you can find it.
10-23-2006, 11:30 PM
sgtgto

Ordered Samsung 215 TW:

Hi:

Ordered the Samsung 215 TW last night and am really looking forward to receiving it. After all the help here, and studying, I think that is the best one for me. Will let you know in a few days.

Gary
10-24-2006, 11:53 AM
XJ

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordVampyre

XJ... over on majorgeeks.com they have had a program that tries to fix stuck pixels.. might head over there and see if you can find it.

I found a couple programs yesterday, but upon further investigation it looks like it is a dead pixel because it is white. apparently White/black=dead Colors=stuck

And it is really noticable watching video on it whenever there is a dark scene.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck232

Hmmm, you did buy it from Costco right? If you make a big fuss about it, will they exchange it for you?

How's the screen aside from that stuck pixel? Any backlight bleeding?

I know things are easy to return at Costco but the bummer is I have to reorder it and have another shipped. Would be nice to just walk in and exchange it.

I do notice backlight bleeding (or what I think is backlight bleeding) when I put the screen completely black. When I'm working on it though I didn't notice it.

The screen is super bright and I had to mess around and turn down a few things. The thing that seemed to look most natural is when I turned down the gamma in my nvidia drivers.

The viewing angle is a problem because I use my computer as a TV in my room and when I lay down to watch something it doesn't look very good. I'm not concerned about this because I planned on getting a adjustable stand so I can just point it where I'll be.

I loaded up GuildWars real quick to check it out in wide screen and it was just amazing.

So as far as picture quality goes while working with it and my very brief gaming all looked nice, but watching videos I'm not sure yet. I was watching recorded videos and I never noticed them looking that before. I think maybe the compression isn't as good as I thought on them or it's the screen. I'm going to pop some DVDs in tonight to check.