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only way to keep making money. when the old versions do everything that so many users need, why buy the new stuff?
Some people would like to own the software, NOTTT have to lease it.Quote:
Originally Posted by kujoe2002
I'm one of them. But the same issue lies in that if what I currently am using (regardless of what company it is) does everything I need, why should I spend more money to buy something new? This is a way to circumvent that making it so people must continue to pay to keep using a product. This is also why I try to buy a hardcopy CD/DVD of any software. This is the same principle of owning property vs renting. Adobe has not come out with anything new and probably won't for a long time. I think we're at a point in technology where we can expect to see a lot of staggering of innovation. I think this is also the reason Apple, Google and Samsung have been engaged in patent wars. I think cloud is another means of making people have to continue to pay to use a companies software/hardware. Hence why I love open source (FF, Open office, etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by richardginn
I like open source, but even programs like Open Office are far from being the NEW standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by kujoe2002
From the posts I have seen online they have been mostly negative on this. To me the only people that win in this deal are people that always update every single time a new master collection comes out. People that skip a version before updating loose.
This is because of two a few reasons. The primary and most important reason is that the developers are not spending millions of dollars in advertising campaigns. If there was a multibillion dollar company as the funding source, I'm sure that OO would become a flagship product of business.Quote:
Originally Posted by richardginn
Isn't there a new name for Open Office now?
anyway OO is a great piece of software. MS office IMHO is too bloated. sure it have tons of innovate features but for the majority of the people out there that the features of OO suffice
Apache Openoffice or Libreoffice are the two main flavors.Quote:
Originally Posted by rimmerchant
The original OpenOffice was owned by Sun, and thus eventually Oracle. Because nobody trusts Oracle with open source, Libreoffice was born. Eventually, the Apache foundation took over Open Office and Oracle was out of it, but not before Libreoffice had gained a foothold in the open source community. So now we have both.
How about a RENT-TO-OWN model here for Adobe Software.
20 bucks a month for one year for one piece of Adobe Software. After one year I own that version of the software. I do not get any more feature or version upgrades, but I still get to run the software with no problems.
I've been an Adobe subscriber for about 2 years now. It's a great to have all the products. It's only $30 a month for me but I think $50 for new subscribers. Even still, at $50 that's $600 a year. Master suite was how much to buy? How many years would it take to pay for it? What if you bought it then a year later decided you liked something else better? Guess that's a lost investment if you bought it.
Not only that but we expect them to keep working after the sale right? Please update security issues in this. Please update this to be compatible with newer software and OS's.
I think the software subscription model is here to stay and is in fact superior. Everyone is so quick to jump on the negative aspects of subscribing to software but not so quick to acknowledge the benefits.
IIRC, Master Suite has ranged from $2,500 to $3,000. At current subscription prices ($30-$50/mo) you are talking about 4 to 7 YEARS before purchasing is cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by vertices
Most version of CS from 4 years ago don't even work properly on the latest OS.
For certain kinds of applications the subscription model makes total sense. This is one of those kinds of applications.
I think we've reached a point with consumer technology where rentals make more sense, because we simply don't support system more than 5 years old anymore. Whether that's hardware or software. The odds that something 5 years old works, and works correctly, isn't very good anymore.
Sure you do have benefits to subscription model, BUTTT many people did skip generations when upgrading programs like Adobe Photoshop. 50 Bucks a month is a fair price for all the software they sell, but when you can't afford it you can't use it anymore. Without addressing the negative parts to Adobe's plan and making changes to it they are going to be in some major problems with the consumer.Quote:
Originally Posted by vertices
For Photoshop only, it's $20/mo. CS 6 retailed for $700. So if you set aside the same amount of money it would last you three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by richardginn
A lot of it comes down to what will you use? I think the majority of consumers won't have a need for the likes of CS6+. Hell most people don't even know how to fully use MS paint. If you are in an industry that utilizes graphic art, then it would make sense but for the average user, it's not a practical investment. Hell GIMP is free and had dozens of tools similar to Adobe.
There's actually been some really cool stuff on the consumer side coming out for Mac recently. Pixelmator and Sketch in particular are quite good Adobe replacements.Quote:
Originally Posted by kujoe2002
Though both inkscape and Gimp have very steep learning curves, both are free and do most everything Photoshop does. Hell I used less than 10% the capability of either program. The majority of the users are looking to really crops and clean up photos (including myself) they took instead of creating graphics from scratch. Aren't there some free photoshop derivatives that you can do online and it's free? Kind of like Google docs, but for graphics?Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
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Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
If you already own Adobe Photoshop CS6 and an upgrade to a CS7 version if it did exist would be $199 bucks.
20 bucks times 18 months is 360 bucks. The upgrade price is less than the price you spend over 18 months on that creative could subscription.
Whatever happened to Corel Draw. I want to say I thought it was part of my Windows 3.1. I remember my dad working with some graphic artists whom I thought used it.
That software is still around and update by the people at Corel. I just do not how it compares to the Adobe stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by kujoe2002
The upgrade means you have an older version that you paid retail for. If you've had Photoshop legally for any period of time you are talking about a $1,000+. And it's not like a version of Photoshop from 10 years ago even runs properly. Even older versions of CS don't run on OS X.Quote:
Originally Posted by richardginn
There are very few scenarios where you will come out ahead by having "purchased" any Adobe product over the new model.
You have only a few scenarios to begin with any way. The one that has to start out and buy the Photoshop software. The one that has a previous version of Photoshop and does update each time a new version comes out and the one that owns Photoshop and does not update each time a new version comes out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
Even if you had to buy Adobe Photoshop from the start at 20 bucks a month it will take you three years to reach the retail price of Adobe Photoshop CS6. If you start to throw in updates to the price then you are like at year four when you fully paid them off. Then you are pretty much paying 240 bucks a year to Adobe for updates for that one program which is more than the 199 bucks you would have paid under the old model ever 18 months to update the Photoshop to the latest version of the software.
To me the only people under the old model that made out good were the people that skipped a version and still could update to a new version at a low cost. That is a good portion of people that use the software.
This is just a complete money grab from Adobe that can easily backfire on them.
I recently bought Pixelmator and Acorn because they were both on sale in the Mac App store. I think I paid about 40 Euros for the two of them together.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImaNihilist
For the longest time I was a die hard photoshop user even though I only scratched the surface of its functionality. Never mind that they couldn't even make the pointer align with the pixel grid until CS6, I had to use the most feature complete program out there just for the sake of doing so. Now I'm starting to realize how silly that was.
The problem with older Photoshop competitors like GIMP is that they try to replicate as much Photoshop functionality as possible while having the horrible UI that people have come to expect from open source software. These new Mac alternatives are great because they put the user first, and are adding functionality bit by bit only if they can do so in a good way. Pixelmator for example is starting to add Illustrator-like vector functionality, and while I've only given it a quick spin it seems great so far.
My academic Adobe licenses are running out soon, and I don't think I'll be subscribing to Creative Cloud.
Maybe people will use their creativity more and not be limited?
http://www.sharkyforums.com/showthre...Wait-Excel-%29
Money grab? For the first time every Adobe products are actually affordable, even in the Photoshop only scenario. Most people have pirated Adobe products since the dawn of time. Macromedia's MODEL for Flash was to encourage piracy so that there was content for Flash.Quote:
Originally Posted by richardginn
Even if you skip a version or two, you are still talking about a $1,000+ investment over time. And it's $20 right now, but will probably drop (it already has). So unless you bought a version of Photoshop, then waited four years to upgrade you still come out ahead under this new model.
This is the first time in the history of Adobe that Creative Suite might actually be purchased by average people, because it's actually affordable. The price has already dropped from $135/mo to $80/mo to $50/mo. It may drop even further as they figure out the right equilibrium.
Pixelmator looks good, but it is a mac only product right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven P Jobs