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The best part is that you won't even have to pay for it...the 8500 is being released with a 300MHz core(a bonus of 50Mhz that NV would make you pay for 6 months from now). Thanks to Ichnewmon at rage3d for the heads up.
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oh **** me are you seriouse?!~!!!1 https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/...2002/02/11.gif\vjdfkfvbdszkvjxbl; dz`??!~?1~?Q!~?!@?!?!`/?!!!!!!!!?bmmgbbjk bncxn
/me needs to go to school but will look at it in study hall!!! https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif
does this include the 8500DV? newegg is still saying that that will be $240!!! and the regular will be $300! https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2002/02/3.gif
oh noh oh oh oh, /me hart-rate is geting too high, must put shoes on and go to school, keep posting people!
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that will undoubtedly make this the king of all graphics cards....for now. If you haven't yet seen the pattern, the memory speed is wayyyy more crucial for video card performance than the core. But anything free of charge is cool. That's why i overclock.
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I don't understand how a chip on a 0.15 micron still can get up to 300 mhz , doesn't it need to go to 0.13 micron?
And ATI can better release a radeon 2 MAXX , because it looks like Nvidia is again gonna steal ATI's thunder with the Geforce 3 ti500.
I mean come on ATI!! why can't they release a card as fast as Nvidia, they have been lacking for over a year now.
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What's all this GF3 ti500 business? is that the GF3 ultra? anyway, right now, ATI will be much faster and a bit cheaper from the looks of it! https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif
Then they can still make a MAXX version and the r300 has already been in development for a while and should be ready to go with what ever the next big nVidia release is. https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif
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From what I read at Greazy ,Pcpop,and a few other sites.Quote:
Originally posted by [DWC]DarkWolf:
What's all this GF3 ti500 business? is that the GF3 ultra? anyway, right now, ATI will be much faster and a bit cheaper from the looks of it! https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif
Then they can still make a MAXX version and the r300 has already been in development for a while and should be ready to go with what ever the next big nVidia release is. https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif
Which have managed I guess to get spec`s for it.
Now that it`s gonna be released in Oct
Geforce 3Ti 500R 300Mhz clock and 500Mhz DDR
<----Is a Pro NOT Ultra card = $249
Search pricewatch you`ll see it!
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well, if these specs are correct for the new GF3 it will still be slower than the Radeon 8500. Don't get me wrong, it will be hell fast, but not quite so as the R300 core, assuming ATI gets their drivers in order..
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HEHEHQuote:
Originally posted by [DWC]DarkWolf:
well, if these specs are correct for the new GF3 it will still be slower than the Radeon 8500. Don't get me wrong, it will be hell fast, but not quite so as the R300 core, assuming ATI gets their drivers in order..
yeah, the radeon original could compete with the gf2's, they just never got the drivers right!
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Funny I never had any problems with My Radeon 64meg DDR in win98se/2kpro right now I'm clocked at 250/225 and its faster then My Geofrce 2 ULTRA in most games....Quote:
Originally posted by tio2k:
HEHEH
yeah, the radeon original could compete with the gf2's, they just never got the drivers right!
Clocked at 183/183 its still faster then a GTS 64meg...
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the driver story is old, it became obsolete with the release of driver 7075 for 9x and 3211 for w2k.
talking about personal experience here, of course, i had to h@kk the registry to get 1280*960 rez (a pain in w2k), and drivers wouldn't uninstall properly (=no vsync without manual registry cleanup), so, there are a few things i dislike, speed wasn't an issue, so far.
one thing is still don't understand is why nVidia's drivers are ~3MB, while ATi's are more like 10MB.
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I think it's mostly because of all those language files.Quote:
Originally posted by Captain Iglo:
one thing is still don't understand is why nVidia's drivers are ~3MB, while ATi's are more like 10MB.
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Tweak your Radeon. Get Raid on Tweaker here
Hey, did any of you people who harp on the "Ati couldn't get the drivers right" actually stop to think that they got just about all the speed out of it they could at launch? Think about how fast it was seeing as in MOST games(name 5 that actually use its 3rd texture unit)it's fillrate potential is half of a gf2. It seems to me that they got the speed right from the get go and the rest of the drivers were used to increase those useless features such as Image Quality, and bug fixes. (At least according to those people who think speed is all that matters)
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Ohh get real. We haven't even seen an 8500 in the market yet and you guys are already talking about a pro/ultra version.
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oh and the only ti series card listed on price watch is a ti200 from pony at $249. To drugboy who thinks the 500 is a pro(at $249 10bucks less than the current gf3) and not the ultra, I got a bridge to sell ya. It would really make their new naming scheme screwy too. And people seriously doubt that ATI can make a 300Mhz .15micron GPU, but if NVIDIA comes before that statement its fine and dandy.
TI200=MX
TI300=GF3GTS(current GF3 available)
TI400=Pro
TI500=Ultra
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No, according to specs on ATI's site, and other specualtion the 8500 is coming out with an extra 50Mhz over what was previously thought. A bonus of 50Mhz is roughly what NV has added in the past and called it an Ultra...hence the title of the thread.Quote:
Originally posted by Neo:
Ohh get real. We haven't even seen an 8500 in the market yet and you guys are already talking about a pro/ultra version.
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Wooo man the core can probably overlcock near or on 400 mhz https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/08/2.gif Massive fillrate https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif!
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I doubt the trueth of the statement. Rage3D has nothing posted in the homepage about the core clock hike.Quote:
Originally posted by steppy76:
The best part is that you won't even have to pay for it...the 8500 is being released with a 300MHz core(a bonus of 50Mhz that NV would make you pay for 6 months from now). Thanks to Ichnewmon at rage3d for the heads up.
I seriously think this is another hoax made by some ATI nuts. Look what the "ATI 8500 finalized benchmark" thread has done.
Go to rage3d now and you will see news on the front page. Although the hike is only 25mhz instead of 50.
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why not go for the 50???
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The heat in which a graphics card produces has a lot to do with the way you design it. When you're saying 300mhz can't be produced on a 50-60+ million transitor chip on a .15 micron, you're thinking in terms of Nvidia. ATI chips in general run a lot cooler than Nvidia's simply by design. Take the Radeon for example. They took the same R100 core and made the "RadeonSE", or at least that's what we call it, and made it run cooler with an updated stepping. (Though I haven't a clue exactly how they did it.) AMD does it. Intel does it. Nvidia does it. 3dfx *did* it. It's not uncommon for companies to do this, but hey, we're getting the benefit from it anyways, so no complaints here.
(Now, let's all not jump to conclusions on how fast the R2 will be. There's no official statement yet, though if you take a close look at Newegg's advertised R2 and you'll see a fillrate of 2.6 gigatexels. Divide that by 8 and do the math guys. I think that'd be pretty b@d@***...)
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I suggest it may have something to do with that it's easier to get your hands on 275MHz DDR than 300MHz DDR in case the want to get the advantage of syncronized mem and core.Quote:
Originally posted by richardginn:
why not go for the 50???
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Tweak your Radeon. Get Raid on Tweaker here
I hope ATI starts making chipsets too; we need more competition and lower prices too. If it wasn't for ATI right now; the geoforce 3 would still be sky high in price. Nivida fans must feel pretty threatened by the fact they may not have the fastest card out; Nivida is counting on it and making the next miniscule speed upgrade for them now. ATI fans go for quality and Nivida fans go for speed; seems how they like to market their wares.
Also since memory speeds are still so low why can't they just put all the video memory on the chip itself and not have any ram at all? wouldn't it be faster to have all the video memory on say a 1.4 ghz video chip? I mean come on they only use 64meg of memory for most cards now anyway so why not just put it all on the chip as L1 or whatever.
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They've got a P4 chipset on the way. From what I read about Nforce at anand, that sounds like it would be a great P4 chipset.
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How dim.Quote:
Originally posted by Darkman:
I don't understand how a chip on a 0.15 micron still can get up to 300 mhz , doesn't it need to go to 0.13 micron?
My Pentium 3 running at 1001Mhz OC'ed (with intel HS, watercooling on the way) from 933Mhz is built on a 0.18micron process.
My celeron 1000 can work up to 1150mhz and it also is 0.18 micron, but i was saying that if it already was possible why not do it from the beginning.Quote:
Originally posted by sooung:
How dim.
My Pentium 3 running at 1001Mhz OC'ed (with intel HS, watercooling on the way) from 933Mhz is built on a 0.18micron process.
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Aopen 52x CD-Rom
Soon Gonna have:
Aopen 430 Watt case
Nvidia Nforce mobo
AMD Athlon4 2ghz
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