People who have the Programmer (or a varient) occupation! Help me! I need some advice

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02-01-2002, 05:45 PM
BobTheSlob

People who have the Programmer (or a varient) occupation! Help me! I need some advice

Well, my question is fairly simple.

What language(s) do you use?
What do you DO with the language(s) you use?
What language(s) would you rather be using? (if that applies)

DO YOU ENJOY WHAT YOU DO? (that's the important part)

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02-01-2002, 08:14 PM
DeadKen

Quote:

Originally posted by BobTheSlob:
Well, my question is fairly simple.

What language(s) do you use?
What do you DO with the language(s) you use?
What language(s) would you rather be using? (if that applies)

DO YOU ENJOY WHAT YOU DO? (that's the important part)

A> I use C,C++,Java,Netlinx and a smattering of asm.

B> C - Embedded firmware
C++ - Native Gui apps (MFC)
Java - Gui apps that need XML and other
lib stuff I have created
Netlinx - Control systems

C> I would rather use C# then C++/Java (Soon I hope!)

D> Love it! Earn big bucks sitting at home with a beer in my hands and hacking out some cool control system. What more could you ask for?

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02-01-2002, 11:14 PM
BobTheSlob

Why do you wanna use C#? Just, some reasons why. If at all possible.

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02-02-2002, 02:33 AM
DeadKen

Quote:

Originally posted by BobTheSlob:
Why do you wanna use C#? Just, some reasons why. If at all possible.

Should be like java except:

A - Faster
B - Better primitives
C - Properties
D - Events (built in)
E - Enumerators
F - Call by ref
G - No AWT or Swing!

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02-02-2002, 02:36 AM
BobTheSlob

Well, I knew it was like Java, but, I have a smaller problem.

What is Java used for in the enterprise level market? Like, J2EE. I highly doubt you are making little applets for IBM. I know Java is used for more things than that. But what?

If I know this, then I will know why C# is cool, cause, C# can't do applets can it?

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02-02-2002, 03:04 PM
The_Hitman

Quote:

Originally posted by DeadKen:
Should be like java except:

A - Faster
B - Better primitives
C - Properties
D - Events (built in)
E - Enumerators
F - Call by ref
G - No AWT or Swing!

You forgot single vendor, single platform, single os, single development tools lock in... all for a language.

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02-02-2002, 05:58 PM
Grizzly

I'm a "Web" programmer, so don't mistake me for a *real* programmer. https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/4.gif

A) Cold Fusion, PHP, Perl, ASP, SQL
B) Build web sites, shopping carts, intranets, extranets, web-based utils, etc etc.
C) I'd rather be doing *more* PHP/MySQL dev.
D) Absolutely, I've been obsessed with Web dev for about 3 years now.

[This message has been edited by Grizzly (edited February 02, 2002).]
02-03-2002, 12:15 AM
DeadKen

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Hitman:

You forgot single vendor, single platform, single os, single development tools lock in... all for a language.

Your right, damn I wish I had thought of that.

Nothing like being locked into a language by a second rate company like Sun. (I'm sure the X86 Solarus users really love them).

As far as C# being locked into a single platform or single tool, wake up and look around. C# (.Net actually) uses the CLI, which can be developed on any platform. No more of this crappy JNI stuff. .Net actually works with just about any language seemlessly.

Take a look at http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23919.html

Gnome is being based on the open source version of .Net (mono).

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02-03-2002, 12:57 AM
The_Hitman

Quote:

Originally posted by DeadKen:

As far as C# being locked into a single platform or single tool, wake up and look around.

Wake up? Your obviously the one in dream land.

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02-03-2002, 01:44 AM
yoshi273

PHP, BASIC, JS (new), C++

I do alot of random stuff with PHP. Currently, i work for a rich media marketing company. Basically, i write targetted email spammers and do web stuff with it.

I dont use BASIC anymore. But it was my first language learned.

I do alot of webpage stuff w/ js. It is currently the backbone for a media detection software we developed that will play appropriate video streams to its users.

I dont do anything important with C++. I dont really like it, and I would gladly swap my C++ knowledge for some XML or SQL.

I currently do web development. I love it and am damn glad to be here.
02-03-2002, 08:35 AM
ch

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Hitman:
Wake up? Your obviously the one in dream land.

No, hes awake.

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02-03-2002, 03:50 PM
The_Hitman

Quote:

Originally posted by ch:
No, hes awake.

https://www.sharkyforums.com/images/.../2005/06/5.gif

Sorry..but one rouge unsupported, unoffical project with no hope of ever amounting to much DOES NOT make .NET /C# cross-platform. Neither does submitting a few classes to a standards body yet holding back the other 90% of the language count either.

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02-03-2002, 07:09 PM
ch

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Hitman:
Sorry..but one rouge unsupported, unoffical project with no hope of ever amounting to much DOES NOT make .NET /C# cross-platform. Neither does submitting a few classes to a standards body yet holding back the other 90% of the language count either.

hm. Most people would just admit they were wrong, oh well.
Also your "no hope of ever amounting to much" comment is quite amusing when coming from a Linux user.

bye.
02-03-2002, 07:53 PM
DeadKen

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Hitman:
Sorry..but one rouge unsupported, unoffical project with no hope of ever amounting to much DOES NOT make .NET /C# cross-platform. Neither does submitting a few classes to a standards body yet holding back the other 90% of the language count either.

Really? How about the fact the CLI is before a standards body?

Lets see Sun (setting!) ever do that with the JVM!

The idea of a true language independ calling interface is light years ahead of Java.

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02-03-2002, 11:03 PM
The_Hitman

Quote:

Originally posted by DeadKen:
Really? How about the fact the CLI is before a standards body?

ONLY SMALL PORTION of the .NET CLI classes have been submitted... they only did this so they could get fools like you to belive them when they said its a "standard" and you could go around spouting off their half lies for them..

Call me when the whole thing is submitted and then we will call it a "standard"...

Quote:

Lets see Sun (setting!) ever do that with the JVM!

Actually, SUN submitted Java to the ECMA but withdrew it because Microsoft had to many controlling votes and could do whatever they wanted to the standard.

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02-04-2002, 12:35 AM
DeadKen

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Hitman:
Actually, SUN submitted Java to the ECMA but withdrew it because Microsoft had to many controlling votes and could do whatever they wanted to the standard.

Coming from you, I take that claim with a giant grain of salt, but I still think it means little if true.

The CLI is the important part, not the classes. Hell, the open soars community can go ahead and define their own standard classes. But the fact they would be language independant is the big breakthrough (or at least you would realize that if you had ever tried to get JNI to really work).

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