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    Any takers on Win 8?

    Are any of you guys going to install Win 8 on your system when it launches? I played around with the dev preview and I see no reason to "upgrade" right away. I haven't been following recent news, but if the start button stays as-is, I may stick with Win 7 as long as possible (until games require a new OS) and continue to use my Mac for everything other than gaming.

    The future seems uncertain for MS. A lot of games are coming to OSX and with steam hinting at a Linux push, anything is possible. MS seems to be behind in everything other than the traditional PC OS. Splitting the difference between a dedicated PC OS and a tablet OS seems to be a strange move, which forces concessions to be made by for both devices. IMO, they should have done something along the lines of Apple. Two completely separate, but complimentary OS's. Then again, MS may be ahead of the curve by combining them together.

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    ill switch when all my hardware gets stable drivers
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    I will be upgrading all of my systems except for my HTPC when Windows 8 comes out. (I don't want to have to pay extra for Media Center)

    Honestly I've been using it on my laptop for about 4 months. The start screen is useful if you customize it. But I haven't even done that. I don't know about anybody else, but my main interaction with the start menu is "Windows Button + start typing to find something". That works just the same as it did before. So I don't lose or gain any functionality from that particular feature. I love the new metrics (file copy, network, CPU speed, task manager, etc.) that are involved in the new system. I love the new wireless menu sliding in from the side, it's actually extremely useful and more informative vs. the Win7 version. On the server side I am impressed that almost every single server technology has been redesigned from the ground up to supported clustering as a native rather than a hacked-in feature set. (We desperately need this at my job, but we won't convert to Server 2012 until probably 2016 sadly, our loss.)

    I like the faster boot times, I like that my entire laptop has native drivers in the OS, including the fingerprint reader. Caveats: Not having a touchscreen I have done nothing in the "metro style" programs and applications. I do everything from the desktop as I do now, and Windows 8 has not changed my workflow at all.

    The one negative: I use as complex a password as Microsoft will let me. (In this case, 12 characters randomly generated. Limit caused by GFWL client). Using the Live sign in means typing that password every time I unlock my computer. (I could disable this, but it's good security). Right now, I love it because I use the fingerprint reader to sign in. If I didn't have the fingerprint reader to auto-input my password, I might not use the whole Live account sign-in thing.


    TL;DR version: Yes, I'm upgrading. I like the speed improvements and small changes that make things easier, and nothing they've changed negatively impacts my workflow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I will be upgrading all of my systems except for my HTPC when Windows 8 comes out. (I don't want to have to pay extra for Media Center)

    Honestly I've been using it on my laptop for about 4 months. The start screen is useful if you customize it. But I haven't even done that. I don't know about anybody else, but my main interaction with the start menu is "Windows Button + start typing to find something". That works just the same as it did before. So I don't lose or gain any functionality from that particular feature. I love the new metrics (file copy, network, CPU speed, task manager, etc.) that are involved in the new system. I love the new wireless menu sliding in from the side, it's actually extremely useful and more informative vs. the Win7 version. On the server side I am impressed that almost every single server technology has been redesigned from the ground up to supported clustering as a native rather than a hacked-in feature set. (We desperately need this at my job, but we won't convert to Server 2012 until probably 2016 sadly, our loss.)

    I like the faster boot times, I like that my entire laptop has native drivers in the OS, including the fingerprint reader. Caveats: Not having a touchscreen I have done nothing in the "metro style" programs and applications. I do everything from the desktop as I do now, and Windows 8 has not changed my workflow at all.

    The one negative: I use as complex a password as Microsoft will let me. (In this case, 12 characters randomly generated. Limit caused by GFWL client). Using the Live sign in means typing that password every time I unlock my computer. (I could disable this, but it's good security). Right now, I love it because I use the fingerprint reader to sign in. If I didn't have the fingerprint reader to auto-input my password, I might not use the whole Live account sign-in thing.


    TL;DR version: Yes, I'm upgrading. I like the speed improvements and small changes that make things easier, and nothing they've changed negatively impacts my workflow.
    Question for you. I read a little bit about "storage spaces" in Windows 8. Some are saying they work a somewhat like zfs. Have you messed around with those features? Could you see Win 8 being used as a file server, like zfs linux distros?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timman_24 View Post
    Question for you. I read a little bit about "storage spaces" in Windows 8. Some are saying they work a somewhat like zfs. Have you messed around with those features? Could you see Win 8 being used as a file server, like zfs linux distros?
    So far I'm only running it on one desktop and a laptop, and both only have a single internal drive (and a mapped NAS drive).

    I have not touched storage spaces yet. I'll take a look at it later though. On the server side, from what I've heard the Storage spaces is a lot like a revamped and more robust version of the old Windows Home Server storage design.

    *Edit: I didn't think it did the checksumming like ZFS, but I'll look into it when I check it out tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I will be upgrading all of my systems except for my HTPC when Windows 8 comes out. (I don't want to have to pay extra for Media Center)
    If you get the digital upgrade version for $40 you can also get Media Center for free.

    http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...omotion-143592

    Additionally, Microsoft announced that those who upgrade to Windows 8 Pro through this special promotion will be able to purchase the Windows Media Center add-in pack for free during the promotional period as well. Microsoft previously said that Media Center would be made available to Pro users for a small, as-yet-unannounced fee.
    Personally, I'm getting it for the $40 price even if I don't install it for a bit. That's just too good a deal until January. You can also set the desktop tile as the 1st tile so when you log in and hit ENTER you're automatically in the desktop environment anyway.
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    I see no reason to upgrade. I'm not a fan of the tile icons and I use snap all the time and it not working on the metro interface causes me issues. Unless I can switch to Windows 7 style UI I will not bother for a very long time.

    I am the IT Manager in an environment that has around 400+ Windows machines and we have decided to skip Windows 8 in the near term. It will be very costly to retrain the average user how to use a PC all over again. It was enough of a fiasco switching the finance department to IE9.
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    I don't like the new interface. It reeks of imitation and they will pretend its their own unique design and coding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kujoe2002 View Post
    I don't like the new interface. It reeks of imitation and they will pretend its their own unique design and coding.
    What are they imitating?

    Apple hasn't "invented" a Metro style interface, yet - but they will - THEN you can claim Microsoft copied them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geforce255 View Post
    What are they imitating?

    Apple hasn't "invented" a Metro style interface, yet - but they will - THEN you can claim Microsoft copied them....
    Apple has too much love for gradients to ever go to a Windows/Metro style UI.

    I rather like the new Windows UI though. I feel like the text rendering is off though. Outlook.com looks better on a Mac than on Windows IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaNihilist View Post
    Apple has too much love for gradients to ever go to a Windows/Metro style UI.

    I rather like the new Windows UI though. I feel like the text rendering is off though. Outlook.com looks better on a Mac than on Windows IMO.
    Meh;

    Apple will come out with a large tile interface in about a year and all the Apple sycophants will rave about how innovative and perfect it is. They'll copy Metro, like the copied iPaq and the Microsoft tablet



    And everyone claims that the iPhone and iPad were the start.

    Marketing hype trumps innovation every time. Microsoft innovates, Apple imitates, and the public swoons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geforce255 View Post
    And everyone claims that the iPhone and iPad were the start.

    Marketing hype trumps innovation every time. Microsoft innovates, Apple imitates, and the public swoons.
    Because they were the start. Everything that came before was pretty terrible from a design perspective. Not how it looks, but how it functions. They weren't the first to do it. They were the first to do it right. And even when they did it, a lot of people (including Microsoft) thought they would fail because Microsoft failed so many times before.

    The world of computing is fundamentally different post-iPhone/iPad. Touch, multi-touch, no pen, thin, light, proprietary. None of that had ever been done before, and that's the new model.

    In about 5-6 years the tablet will completely overtake the desktop. You've got a whole generation of people learning to use a tablet BEFORE a desktop.

    They might merge, they might not. Hard to say, but to call the iPhone/iPad "marketing hype" is a completely misunderstanding of consumer technology.

    The most innovative thing Microsoft has done in a while is getting ready for the inevitable switch form desktop to tablet with Windows 8.

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    I will eventually be using as my primary OS, not yet though. I'm having trouble liking this one, and this from a guy who loved Vista. Metro or whatever you want to call it these days is here to stay.

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    I'm going to be picking up a Sufrace RT probably.

    I really like the Windows 8 ecosystem on paper. There are still a lot of parts that seem disconnected, but I guess we'll see how it all plays out.

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    I know spaces do not support deduplication, compression, and off-site replication right now, but supposedly MS is working on making it a full solution through updates. It would be fantastic to have enterprise level storage options in a typical Windows install. I'd be completely sold at that point. If they do it right, they could open up a new market for themselves. I'm thinking they are trying to get in on the NAS popularity. I like the idea of finally having a very stable GUI for zfs like systems. The webGUI can be finicky with Nexenta at times.
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