Playstation 4

[Timman_24]

I don't know about that. I was in a room full of non-tech folk and they were all like, "What the hell are they saying? It's like buzzword bingo."

They showed a ton of trailers, not much in terms of games. The UI they showed was just a Steam Big Picture clone.

Hmm, I'm trying to remember any buzz words. I thought Mark Cerny did a great job by first telling us what the specs were without using buzzwords. He said "x86", "unified memory", and "enhanced GPU" then he continued to show tech demos to illustrate what these items mean in real terms. They played the thousands of balls dropping to show what the upgraded CPU and GPU could handle. He then made it even more real by showing a demo of the physics heavy game that he is working on, Knack. They followed that up by showing what the hardware could handle graphically with an Unreal Engine 4 demo.

That breaks it down about as easy as you can get. No marketing BS, no dumb names.

Its not Sony's fault that your friends do not know what x86 means lol. Maybe they should have tuned into Jimmy Fallon's demo and left the real conference to people that know anything at all haha.

Lastly, I think people were expecting WAY too much. I was blown away by how much they showed. I thought they would get on stage, talk about how they were going to breath life into Vita, and then announce the PS4 with a few minutes of teasers. We got a crap ton of information: system specs, UI, controller, unannounced games, multiple trailers, numerous game publishers, f*ing Jonathan Blow!, and on-and-on. For a gamer, that conference was bad-***.

[kpxgq]

With next gen consoles mimicing PCs so closely what exactly is the point of a console?
AMD X86 CPU, AMD graphic chip, DDR memory, windows 8 , internet - add keyboard and mouse and voila - PC.
And then all of a sudden 500$ doesn't sound so expensive anymore.

its the user experience, not the hardware... same reason apple products do so well vs higher specced android products and the same reason valve is trying to make a "steam box"

[Kamakazie]

Hmm, I'm trying to remember any buzz words. I thought Mark Cerny did a great job by first telling us what the specs were without using buzzwords. He said "x86", "unified memory", and "enhanced GPU" then he continued to show tech demos to illustrate what these items mean in real terms. They played the thousands of balls dropping to show what the upgraded CPU and GPU could handle. He then made it even more real by showing a demo of the physics heavy game that he is working on, Knack. They followed that up by showing what the hardware could handle graphically with an Unreal Engine 4 demo.

That breaks it down about as easy as you can get. No marketing BS, no dumb names.

Its not Sony's fault that your friends do not know what x86 means lol. Maybe they should have tuned into Jimmy Fallon's demo and left the real conference to people that know anything at all haha.

Lastly, I think people were expecting WAY too much. I was blown away by how much they showed. I thought they would get on stage, talk about how they were going to breath life into Vita, and then announce the PS4 with a few minutes of teasers. We got a crap ton of information: system specs, UI, controller, unannounced games, multiple trailers, numerous game publishers, f*ing Jonathan Blow!, and on-and-on. For a gamer, that conference was bad-***.

I agree with this post.

[Johnmcl7]

No marketting BS? You must have watched a different presentation to me then because there was little more than that in the one I watched and virtually no information at all, no proper specification, no release date, no pricing and best of all and rather hilariously - no console!

John

[Wurm]

The upshot is that there's a fair amount of CPU performance here—nothing record-breaking, but more than enough to work with. But it does mean that developers who want to take full advantage of the PS4's CPU are going to have to optimize their games to be heavily multithreaded.

That quote is the reason I'm excited, its about time someone forced the gaming companies to optimize for multi-core performance. Any game also made for the PS4 should also run better on our multi-core PCs.

[dyne]

With next gen consoles mimicing PCs so closely what exactly is the point of a console?

Realistically? The exclusives from 1st parties. I'll buy one just for what Naughty Dog pumps out because it's the only place to play their games.

[richardginn]

No marketting BS? You must have watched a different presentation to me then because there was little more than that in the one I watched and virtually no information at all, no proper specification, no release date, no pricing and best of all and rather hilariously - no console!

John

Why give you the WHOLE cow now when they can only give you a piece of the cow today and more of the cow at E3???

[ImaNihilist]

Hmm, I'm trying to remember any buzz words. I thought Mark Cerny did a great job by first telling us what the specs were without using buzzwords. He said "x86", "unified memory", and "enhanced GPU" then he continued to show tech demos to illustrate what these items mean in real terms. They played the thousands of balls dropping to show what the upgraded CPU and GPU could handle. He then made it even more real by showing a demo of the physics heavy game that he is working on, Knack. They followed that up by showing what the hardware could handle graphically with an Unreal Engine 4 demo.

That breaks it down about as easy as you can get. No marketing BS, no dumb names.

Its not Sony's fault that your friends do not know what x86 means lol. Maybe they should have tuned into Jimmy Fallon's demo and left the real conference to people that know anything at all haha.

Lastly, I think people were expecting WAY too much. I was blown away by how much they showed. I thought they would get on stage, talk about how they were going to breath life into Vita, and then announce the PS4 with a few minutes of teasers. We got a crap ton of information: system specs, UI, controller, unannounced games, multiple trailers, numerous game publishers, f*ing Jonathan Blow!, and on-and-on. For a gamer, that conference was bad-***.

I think hardcore gamers have a very different perspective than normal people or even industry people.

What you saw was a pure marketing presentation, and not a very good one. It was all about "play", "social", "connected", "synergy" blah, blah, blah. When they showed that video I literally threw my arms up in the air and said out loud, "What the **** is this?" It's like they tried to copy one of those Apple engineering hype videos, but mixed it with some weird art style. The audio wasn't even level. As someone who creates these things, it was embarrassing to watch. It didn't even make sense. I was thinking, "Did someone even read this script? When does this end?" It wasn't until after the presentation that there was any mention of the actual hardware, or who was going to make it.

They played a lot of videos. They said it was running on real hardware. Sony has a history of straight up ********ting this for both hardware and software releases. I really saw nothing that lead me to believe it wasn't just a bunch of CGI trailers one after another. AFAIK there isn't any actual hardware that comes close to the spec they mentioned. I can't open a dev kit up, but it appears to me to be generic components in an HTPC box. I'm pretty sure, but not positive, that the dev kits aren't capable of even rendering that ball demo. If that demo was real, it came from some kind of internal spec system that no one has ever seen.

[Timman_24]

No marketting BS? You must have watched a different presentation to me then because there was little more than that in the one I watched and virtually no information at all, no proper specification, no release date, no pricing and best of all and rather hilariously - no console!

John

There was the typical marketing crap like the developer reel where they were pandering to the console, but that's expected. Cern described everything about the hardware except part numbers, then they released the spec sheet later that day. They brought up publishers one by one and they showed off upcoming games running in-engine. They even made it known when something wasn't finalized, such as the Gaiki guy saying they are working hard to bring PS3 games to the service but they weren't making promises or the Square-Enix guy saying these were "target" graphics.

The only thing I noticed that was pretty hockey was the sculpting stuff with the PS Move controller.

Yoshida even sat down after the conference and cleared up a lot of the questions journalists had including the fact that the box's design is not finalized.

Anyone that thought they would announce a price or date needs to recalibrate their expectations. No way would Sony commit to a price yet, MS hasn't said anything. There wasn't a price for PS3, 360, or Wii U the first time they were announced. Those are typically discussed much closer to launch as the supply chain is finalized and all the other manufacturers have laid their cards on the table.

You want to see terrible press conferences, go back and watch the last 6 years of E3...

[Timman_24]

I think hardcore gamers have a very different perspective than normal people or even industry people.

What you saw was a pure marketing presentation, and not a very good one. It was all about "play", "social", "connected", "synergy" blah, blah, blah. When they showed that video I literally threw my arms up in the air and said out loud, "What the **** is this?" It's like they tried to copy one of those Apple engineering hype videos, but mixed it with some weird art style. The audio wasn't even level. As someone who creates these things, it was embarrassing to watch. It didn't even make sense. I was thinking, "Did someone even read this script? When does this end?" It wasn't until after the presentation that there was any mention of the actual hardware, or who was going to make it.

They played a lot of videos. They said it was running on real hardware. Sony has a history of straight up ********ting this for both hardware and software releases. I really saw nothing that lead me to believe it wasn't just a bunch of CGI trailers one after another. AFAIK there isn't any actual hardware that comes close to the spec they mentioned. I can't open a dev kit up, but it appears to me to be generic components in an HTPC box. I'm pretty sure, but not positive, that the dev kits aren't capable of even rendering that ball demo. If that demo was real, it came from some kind of internal spec system that no one has ever seen.

Again, they played the Killzone game on Fallon. I thought they spent great deal of time on games, which is what gamers care about. They didn't discuss 3D, 4K, or other buzzword crap. They talked about new ways to spectate games, sync to a Vita, instantly play PS4 demos using a streaming service, a new controller, announced a partnership with Blizzard, save screenshots or video without a media capture unit, motion control using the Dualshock 4, ability to play a game before its downloaded, announcement of 6 new games, Bungie was there (which was weird), system specs, and they talked backward compatibility.

Again, I totally think people were expecting too much. I thought they would roll a teaser film and announce the a PS4 and that is all.

[kpxgq]

yes, to me the best part of the new ps4 and durango (next xbox) is that it should significantly raise the current console performance bottleneck we are seeing on multi platform titles... all the games that came out this year have been held back by console porting... even if you never plan on buying a console, you should appreciate the intangible benefits they bring to PC games

[ImaNihilist]

Again, they played the Killzone game on Fallon. I thought they spent great deal of time on games, which is what gamers care about. They didn't discuss 3D, 4K, or other buzzword crap. They talked about new ways to spectate games, sync to a Vita, instantly play PS4 demos using a streaming service, a new controller, announced a partnership with Blizzard, save screenshots or video without a media capture unit, motion control using the Dualshock 4, ability to play a game before its downloaded, announcement of 6 new games, Bungie was there (which was weird), system specs, and they talked backward compatibility.

Again, I totally think people were expecting too much. I thought they would roll a teaser film and announce the a PS4 and that is all.

People were expecting a lot because Sony was hyping it up for almost two months. They called every developer and every industry person and invited them to either fly to New York or watch the live stream. And then they showed a bunch of comps and spec work, and only after the insanely long presentation did they even talk about actual hardware or specs. And even then, the specs aren't "final". They said they were going to announce the future of PlayStation, and they announced a controller who's main feature is a share button that they never actually showed how it worked.

What will truly AMAZE me is if this actually ends up on shelves by year's end. Judging by AMD's stock price, it seems like they may have not even inked a deal with AMD yet. All I can see is that a controller exists, and it has some extra buttons on it. Do they do anything? I don't know. There's a game called Killzone something or other which looks like Crysis. There's on level, and it looks like a rails shooter.

They talked a lot, about all sorts of things, but it was all spec and comps. "Wouldn't it be cool if people could spectate? Well, we plan to make it so you can do that. We don't have any details yet on how." I mean, WHAT?? It's been SIX YEARS.

I'm sorry, this **** just doesn't fly anymore.

[Timman_24]

Well, you can only take a company at their word. If they are lying or are showing a false facade then that will be a story in a few months time. As of now, what they showed looks pretty good.

FWIW, On Feb 1st Sony announced the press conference would be held on Feb 20th. A far cry from 2 months and by "hyping it" I guess you mean the 1 minute long PS teaser?

I just don't understand what the "perfect" press conference would be. If they talked spec for 10-20 minutes at the beginning, most casuals would instantly turn away. If they rolled games then people would ***** about no specs. If they do a bit of both, then its too damn long. I'd hate to have to write a press conference lol. Juggling pleasing the tech nerd, journalist, and casual while not giving too much away to your competitor.

[PCVSNotebook]

Well at least we will have an 8 cores optimized games ... I hope Intel will release their 8 cores i9 by then

[PCVSNotebook]

Thanks for the correction.



Note that it is not DDR5, it's GDDR5. As the above comment states, GDDR5 is based on DDR3 technoology but has higher latency in a tradeoff for higher bandwidth. General purpose computing is much more latency sensitive.

Thanks for the correction ... didnt notice that DDR5 and GDDR5 are different .