Celeron VS Duron

[Prince]

I will be visiting Buffalo in a week (from Canada). I am planning to buy a system for o/c (as it seems prices are cheaper in states). It is for o/c. Which m/b, processor and fan should I invest in? As I see it there are 3 choices:

1) Celeron (with ASUS cl board)
2) Duron with KT133A CHIPSET (w/t FOP38?)
3) DDR board with Athlon266FSB (if price difference is +/- $100US)

The computer's primary purpose will be servers (proxy, gateway,etc) and (application) development machine (in home use only).
What do you suggest?

Anyone know any good computer shops in buffalo I should contact?


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[ynd69]

If it's for servers a Celeron/Duron should do. I would prefer the Duron overall with a nice KT133A combo.

Will a lot of poeple be accessing your computer?? I'm thinking SCSI

How are you getting to the states?? Driving over?? If your visit is less than 3 days, I believe they might tax you on the way back. Well I usually take "precautions"

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[Purple People Eater]

A Duron would make a mighty fine proxy. I'd stay away from DDR for the time being, and go with the good ol' KT 133a. It's been proven, and it's really a great OCer. I'd stay away from the DDR for a bit longer, and let the technology develop some more. That's just me though.

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[GUPPY]

Drop this celeron/duron crap. If you are going to be running a server as an internet gateway. Make it a Thunderbird. About 50-70 dollars more makes the differnce between a good computer and a top of the line server. And it will work on all the same boards that the duron will.

Pay for the performance.

[Ashpool]

I'd have to agree with GUPPY on this one. A small $50-$75 increase for a Proc is worth the larger speed increment.

But if your ABSOLUTELY STUCK between Celeron and Duron, it depends. If your expecting to be doing some serious OC'n, go for Celeron. They're built for the punishment. But if your leaving it as it is, go for a Duron. They score slightly higher than Celerons at the same speeds, but your lucky if you can OC it farther than 10Mhz. Beyond that is crashing and burning.

[sicko]

Duron over Celeron, hands down. If you've got the cash I'd go with a T-bird over a Duron. However picking up an 800MHz Duron for around $60 and OC'ing it to 1Ghz is almost too good of a deal to pass up

[nerf]

The celeron makes no sense in any respect. a t-bird/duron sys has far more upside potential. the celeron is history now! Intel will drop this line of processors soon. look at support for the ABIT bh6, a classic oc'r, no new bios updates come'n. look to the future and not the past when spending todays dollars.
nerf

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[marv]

Originally posted by nerf:
..look at support for the ABIT bh6, a classic oc'r, no new bios updates come'n. look to the future and not the past when spending todays dollars.
nerf

That old BH61.1 is 4-years old and will offically support a P-3 850 and gladly take a P3-1gig.

What was AMD running 4 or 3 or 2 years ago that has that proven of a upgrade path?

Sure it would not make much since to buy one but if you have, why not upgrade it?

Not to mention that lots of us old BX users are very content waiting for northwood, when we can get a nice, STABLE, upgradable, unbreakable, and cool running CPU and chipset.

In all this AMD price/performance advantage stuff, sure doesn't take into account lots of tbird users on their second or third motherboard in a year or so.

My little celeron and old BX6R2 does everything I need it to do.

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[krazie662]

Originally posted by GUPPY:
Drop this celeron/duron crap. If you are going to be running a server as an internet gateway. Make it a Thunderbird. About 50-70 dollars more makes the differnce between a good computer and a top of the line server. And it will work on all the same boards that the duron will.

Pay for the performance.

FYI Guppy, that is not a guppy on your pic profile, it's a goldfish. Just messin, just thought u'd like to know in case u didn't already



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[ViralCryption]

Ashpool what have you been smoking? A Duron is way easier to OC than a Celery. The Duron I put in father's computer is a 600@900 no peltiers, no problems. I have seen Duron's almsot match the performance of a Celery. The slow FSB and low on board cache cripple the Celery compared to the Duron. You might want to check things out a bit.

[Purple People Eater]

Originally posted by Ashpool:
I'd have to agree with GUPPY on this one. A small $50-$75 increase for a Proc is worth the larger speed increment.

But if your ABSOLUTELY STUCK between Celeron and Duron, it depends. If your expecting to be doing some serious OC'n, go for Celeron. They're built for the punishment. But if your leaving it as it is, go for a Duron. They score slightly higher than Celerons at the same speeds, but your lucky if you can OC it farther than 10Mhz. Beyond that is crashing and burning.

Durons are great OCers too. 750 regularly gets to 1gig. As for AMD users having to upgrade Mobos all the time, any kt133 board is still good today, and kt133a boards will be good till palomino, so that's a kinda silly statement to make.


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-I eated the purple berries.
-What did they taste like Ralph?
-They taste like burning

-Go banana!

[Mandorallen of Molynnr]

Duron vs Celeron.

Well, for absolute stability, I'd get a Celeron on a i440 BX motherboard. That's if processing is not that important.

Overclocking wise, I'd say that Duron vs Celeron is about equal. Most 566 - 633 chips make it to 100 bus with the stock Intel fan. Duron's are easier because you can unlock their multipliers, but they produce more heat.

Performace wise, a Celeron at 900 is about equal to a Duron at 750 - 800. So Duron definetly wins out there.

Why get a Duron if you can get a 800 - 1GHz Thunderbird for not that much more?

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[Prince]

Originally posted by Mandorallen of Molynnr:
Duron vs Celeron.

Well, for absolute stability, I'd get a Celeron on a i440 BX motherboard. That's if processing is not that important.

I have seen lots of respectable people recomending Athlon over duron if i can spare the cash. what kind of performence boost are we talking about? some real life benchs or example will be helpful.
btw, performence and stability are equally important and as i mentioned its for home use so i can live with once in a while windows crashes (not hard disk crashes) or little performence loss.

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Soon to be
ASUS A7V133
256 CRUCIAL CAS 2
4 CHANNEL SOUND CARD
16MB TNT (with video IN and out)

[Purple People Eater]

I really don't know why people talk poorly about the stabillity of AMD processors, I really think it's one of those old wive's tale style things, but the chipset support can be kinda difficult sometimes. However, I have had ABSOLUTElY no trouble with my setup, T-bird 850@1007 on A7V133. That's just my experience though.

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-I eated the purple berries.
-What did they taste like Ralph?
-They taste like burning

-Go banana!

[bromide]

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