I have a theory Part 2

[G19]

I think I may have overdone my CPU discussion in the Video Cards Forum, so I'll post a link here and post another pleonastic mental collision theory for inquisitive fish. If it's not computers enough, or too OT, then I won't cry over it's demise, you get what you're given.

Here's the first collision topic http://www.sharkyforums.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/007501.html

Here's it's little sequal:

Time Machine

A powerfull telescope satellite is placed in deep space viewing the Earth. It's powerfull lense captures sharp images on the trophosphere at up to miniscule detail. The image is transferred by a wave source travelling faster than light to the Earth, thereby decoding and reproducing the image, that is of course older than the actual activity on Earth. By varying distances, the telescope, transmitts images from various periods in time, from Moses parting the Red Sea to the Kennedy assasination. Posssible? Loopy? What do you think?

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[GHz]

Even though this has absolutely nothing to do with computers, this is infact possible, it is even possible, travel far enough and and if you can transmit information fast enough to see the formation of the solar system. Remember, the speed of light is limited to 299,792,458 meters/sec, so if you could get a HIGH HIGH HIGH, you get my point, resolution telescope a couple billion light years from Earth then you could see it. You will of course have to compensate for any gravitational wells created by objects in space, i.e. planets, stars, black holes.

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[Raven667]

Originally posted by GARRIN19:

Time Machine
... The image is transferred by a wave source travelling faster than light to the Earth, thereby decoding and reproducing the image, that is of course older than the actual activity on Earth...

The idea is plausable, except for one tiny detail....There is nothing that travels faster then the speed of light (3x10^8m/s). Steven Hawking has suggested that sometimes particles can travel faster than the speed of light (when they "leak" out of a black hole) but they only do this for a very short period of time (ie: the time it take to cross the even horison). Until a "faster than light" information carrier is discovered or produced then we are SOL on this hole concept.

An interesting spin on this is that if there was some one at the telescope recording what it was seeing it could prove to be an invaluable resource on ancient history on whatever planet the telescope was pointed at.....mind you, inorder for the speices on the planet to get this information, they would have to travel a long way (100's or 1000's of lightyears just to get the data. This would, of course take far too long under conventional means of space travel, thereby defeating the purpose of going in the first place.

I guess I am done ranting for now.

[idris5]

Meanwhile, I'm going to invent a machine that cures cancers, creates world peace and prosperity and simultaneously does all my work for me.

loopy?

You said it.

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[Salsa86]

While intriguing, your proposal is not very feasible, every second that passes our photon history extends itself nearly 200,000 miles (186,282 M/sec) further from us... in order to acquire the image from our past, we can use the birth of christ as a referential point... 2001 yrs... approx 31 million seconds in a year (31,536,000 seconds) so

c(63,103,536,000 seconds) <-----seconds since birth of christ..I'm rounding up to the next yr

distance photons reflected from earth in year 1 are from earth at present time:
11,755,052,893,152,000 miles

so if this very instant we could position our selves at this distance from earth it would be conceivable.... we don't necessarily need to transmit it back at tachyonic speeds, we could send it back at the standard c speed and archive it for future generations...

the issue is "catching" the light in the first place...according to contemporary theories faster than light travel is not possible by massful objects such as ourselves and our machinery.. and even theories supporting the existence or possibility of faster than light particles on claim speeds percentages faster than light.. not orders of magnitude faster than light.

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[Moridin]

The idea is sound, but technically it is impossible.

There are two big problems. First: although there are some theoretical particles that can travel faster then light, information cannot travel faster then light. This holds true even for some of the bizarre quantum effects we are now discovering.

Second: light does not travel in a perfect beam. This means it unfocuses as it travels and AFAIK there is no way to reverse this un-focusing. Certainly you cannot do it using optics. Even a “perfect” laser in which all the light initially starts off traveling the exact same direction, at the exact same frequency, and perfectly in phase would disperse over time.


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[Salsa86]

"information cannot travel faster than light"
.... actually..information needs a medium..the photon pulses in a transmission do not in themselves contain "information"... but the sequence of arrival could convey info... the medium can theoretically be the faster than light particles...

so technically if tachyonic particles exist, information can travel faster than light...

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[IntelSux]

as someone else said here, you don't necessarily need to send the information at a faster speed than light. you could send it at the same speed, but it would take a while.. but still, wouldn't it be nice to look down at dinosaurs roaming at where your house is right now? or looking at who built the pyramids and stuff...
and yes, someone found a way to increase the speed of light using some gas or something.. there was a little chamber thingy that the light passed thru. the funny thing is that before the light passed thru the test chamber, it was already on the wall of the room past the chamber.


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[Raven667]

Originally posted by Salsa86:
"information cannot travel faster than light"
.... actually..information needs a medium..the photon pulses in a transmission do not in themselves contain "information"... but the sequence of arrival could convey info... the medium can theoretically be the faster than light particles...

so technically if tachyonic particles exist, information can travel faster than light...

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The whole problem is that we do not know what a Tachyon particle is, aside from those numerous episodes of Star Trek :TNG / Voyager. Hell, if we knew what subspace was we could use that to transmit the info, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Here's an interesting side note. In one of the later ST:V B'Elanna Torres orders someone to check the "inductive capacitance". Does anyone else find this very strange, since an Inductor and a Capacitor are two, very different electronic components, and their assoiated behaviour is not the same.

I'm done ranting for now.

[Moridin]

Originally posted by Salsa86:
"information cannot travel faster than light"
.... actually..information needs a medium..the photon pulses in a transmission do not in themselves contain "information"... but the sequence of arrival could convey info... the medium can theoretically be the faster than light particles...

so technically if tachyonic particles exist, information can travel faster than light...

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Just because you have a medium does not mean that medium is suitable for transferring information.

Don’t ask me to explain it because I simply don’t know, but it is my understanding that relativity specifically forbids information to travel faster then the speed of light even though it does still allow for particles that travel faster then light.

(For a particle to travel faster then the speed of light it must have begun it’s existence traveling faster then light and according to the equations of special Relativity it would take an infinite amount of energy to ever slow that particle down below the speed of light.)

Back to the question of a medium. There is something called Quantum entanglement. It occurs when two particles become entangled at a Quantum level (duh) in such a way that they always have the opposite spin. If you change the spin on one the spin on the other changes instantly no matter where that other particle is.

This would seem to give a medium for faster then light communications right? There is only one hitch. Heisenberg’s uncertainty principal prevents you form ever observing the spin with greater then 50% accuracy.


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[Salsa86]

the way described the HUP is pretty interesting... two particles with the possibility of 1 of 2 orientations... they are linked "quantumly" so the other reflects the others orientation (inversely)...but the uncertainty principle determines the maximum read accuracy cannot exceed 50%.. so according to you.. the concept of quantum entanglement is not very practical from an application stand point..

according to relativity/ the existence of faster than light particles is not ruled out.. .if during the creation of the universe they existed/ so we cannot create particles that transmit info or/ particles that even travel faster than light- according to relativity...

there are other theories that refute this relativity limitation.... but the issue is... if a particle can be created to travel faster than light/ information can be conveyed by it/

[Salsa86]

ps..

isn't it the heisenberg uncertainty principle?

[Moridin]

Damm spell checker I spelled it wrong initially and then clicked the wrong one from the dropdown

That was my point with quantum entanglement. Just because a medium exists that seems to be able to send information faster then light doesn’t we can interact with it in a useful way. The same applies to FTL particles. Just because they exist doesn’t mean it is possible for us to interact with them in a useful way.

The observation of the spin on the particle is more of a result of uncertainty then the HUP itself. Similar to a Schrodinger's cat situation, with the actual quantum state resolving itself when we attempt to observe it. This means that despite the fact that the two have opposite spins the spin we observe is not resolved until we actually make the observation.


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[G19]

Woof! Now I have a list of people not to try to answer thier post quest! No, seriously, I think it is still possible, although a more altruistic application of such mind-staggering equipment would be more productive. You guys are frying my brain, so I'm going to read all this and digest the best. That means I'm going to have nightmares by the looks of it. And by the way, what travels faster than light?.......happy thoughts of playing kittens.

That high speed gas test was done with Sodium. I'd keep my eye on Potassium experiments.

Oh and another, I think the phenomenon of redirected or non-linear energy (as noted in this topic) is in a similar catagory with the theory that an infinite cosmos means night should'nt exist due to the probability of an infinite number of stars.

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[BoRoG]

Ummm Light travels like 37 times faster (or something like that) through Cesium gas than through a vacuum, so couldn't that send information faster than the 'speed of light'?