well as hexidecimal was pointing out that i told him, the mad plugin was making my sub distort at low levels really easily and i also realized that where my desk is and the sub, it rattles my desk fricken hard making the sub sound like its distorting but its actually not. so a little more sub moving and i found a good spot. and on a funny note, the song i was listening to to test out for sub distortion was a bad copy and when i re-downloaded the song, it was twice as nice sounding in the sub category. odd enough. and the dvd issue with no bass output was just that i downloaded powerdvd xp 4.0 and then cracked it. so i just found a different version of it and downloaded it and it works fantastic now under 6 speakers setup. so now my KPM 5.1's finally work like i was hoping they would!!!! its about time!

and hexidecimal, i still think the sound quality of the z-560's sounded fantastic but i will agree with you that these speakers do sound better. not like 100% better but like 30 percent better. i still think the z-560 sub hit prolly twice as hard but the KPM 5.1 sub hits twice as low and has a little better quality. im gonna miss the z-560 sub....

BUT I DO LOVE MY KPM 5.1!!!!!