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Not Wurm
boy I hate to do this
CE is right in a sense about altered music masters.
However as I remember it, they only mess around with the super extreme signal ranges, like below 80hz and above 15khz and a slight gain in the vocal frequencies. Mostly this is recently and to help those out that go the $20 bombox route.
Once you get into stuff like 1ctobar has this point becomes moot. It sounds as though with the seperation that he has it wouldnt even matter in the first place. Everything is so pieced out that he wouldnt even notice a gain or cut in signal. Besides I believe that reciever, as he stated has a feature that pretty much eliminates any problems from cuts and gains.
EQs are more for Personal hearing prefrence rather then objective reconstruction. Individual results vary greatly.
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Reef Shark
In my experience EQ's are never really a bad thing unless they are set up wrong. I don't have an EQ for my surround sound system but thats mainly because I don't want to have to pay for one but I'm sure if someone just gave me a decent one for free with some time tweaking it I could make my system sound slightly better to me. There's so many factors that make audio sound good or not that I wouldn't worry about "true sound" everyones systems and speakers are different not to mention ears and whether they have hearing loss at certian frequencies that people, in my opinion, should go for what they find sounds best and an EQ helps that.
I have my dad's old NAD 7020 reciever hooked up to my computer with a set of old Mission 700's that I rebuilt with new raw speakers and I use the Winamp EQ to help give my somewhat not "true sounding" speakers better sound in my opinion
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Mako Shark
NAD rules!
I wish i could afford one of their integrated amps in a new box. :-(
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RIP SiS :(
So, back to the topic... how is the receiver?
So far I've concluded nothing but that it looks nice.
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Hammerhead Shark
OK, a little late to this thread, as I've been very busy lately, setting up new machine's and whatnot.
Firstly 1ctabor, congrats on the purchase. I'm not farmiliar with Denon surround amps, whats its vital specs? and what speakers u using with it? Whatever the case, if you are planning to hookup to your PC, then you will likely get a far better sound than most multimedia systems out there.
On the EQ debate, I used to be dead against using an EQ of any kind, but that was more to do with brainwashing by audiophiles that got me into this way of thinking. However, I have come to appreciate the difference an EQ can make to the sound of a system. No system is perfect, and an EQ can help with the deficincies that a given system might have. For example, I know my amplifier is known to had slightly recessed mids, and a slightly reined in treble at the extreme end. So I boost the mids, and the highest treble, and the end result is much more pleasing to my ears.
Then, as crawling stated before, most recording are not "audiophile" quality recordings. It will be obvious when you listen which recordings are audiophile recordings, because you can turn the EQ off, and it sounds right. However, these will not help you if you dont have tonally perfect equipment either, and I dont. Most budget level equipment will not sound tonally perfect.
So I agree with CE and others who advocated an EQ - if setup correctly, they will add lots to the enjoyment of your system, particularly if like me, the majority of your tunes are in mp3 format.
Regards, Paul
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Mako Shark
"Most budget level equipment will not sound tonally perfect."
In defense of 1ctabor's new receiver, the 4802 goes for over a grand, easily. ;-)
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RIP SiS :(
Originally posted by blppt
"Most budget level equipment will not sound tonally perfect."
In defense of 1ctabor's new receiver, the 4802 goes for over a grand, easily. ;-)
...but the point was that they mix things to sound good on budget level stereos, not 1k receivers (they add color to the sound to help common deficiencies).
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Hammerhead Shark
Originally posted by blppt
"Most budget level equipment will not sound tonally perfect."
In defense of 1ctabor's new receiver, the 4802 goes for over a grand, easily. ;-)
actually if you buy from a certified vendor it sells for $2500
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1ctabor,
Congrats! I too bought a Denon 4802 (a couple of months ago) and love it although I'm still experimenting with all of its features. One thing that it really nice about the unit is the On-Screen Display (OSD) feature for setting up the unit and making adjustments.
I received a lot of helpful information on the Denon 4802 at the following website:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com
Enjoy!
P.S. If you're like me, definitely plan on setting aside a few hours to set up and tweak it. The Denon 4802 has a ton of "bells and whistles".
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Hammerhead Shark
Originally posted by Bannon
1ctabor,
Congrats! I too bought a Denon 4802 (a couple of months ago) and love it although I'm still experimenting with all of its features. One thing that it really nice about the unit is the On-Screen Display (OSD) feature for setting up the unit and making adjustments.
I received a lot of helpful information on the Denon 4802 at the following website:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com
Enjoy!
P.S. If you're like me, definitely plan on setting aside a few hours to set up and tweak it. The Denon 4802 has a ton of "bells and whistles".
Yes, still working on it actually. As for cd music its incredible. It completely transformed my polks from what my sony used to play through them. Already worth it. Haven't had the chance to experiment with dvd's yet.
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