Hacking basics

**Madness** · 09-06-2002, 06:25 AM

I was wondering if there is a site out there that would give me some basics of hacking (methods etc.). I`m not into hacking some company server or whatever or any financial benefits etc. (I`m serious)
I`d just like to know a little more about it (sort of a general knowledge issue).
thanks

**jester22c** · 09-06-2002, 08:58 AM

Step 1) learn Unix and read up on the most common forms of encryption.

**Tekime** · 09-06-2002, 10:51 AM

Read this:

http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html

This is interesting too, if you want to know what hacking is really about (it's an entire book, but a great read):

http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/

If you are more interested in cracking, i.e. exploits/sniffing/spoofing/social engineering/etc. I suggest finding a different forum for that. Maybe alt.2600 if you can sift through the crap

Just be wise with your knowledge

**osp1keo** · 09-06-2002, 05:23 PM

i know the answers to all your serious to know.
i studied it and screwed up in school cause of what i learned.
email me at [email protected]

and the truth its a waste of knowledge, but i'll teach u for the hell of it.
you don't really need to know linux, for starting out you have to understand vunerabilities and how you can use them.

**biosx** · 09-06-2002, 06:08 PM

osp1keo: I went to your site. It looks nice but your doc's are lame and so are you. Please take down that AIM Virus doc; you know that its bogus. I just hope that nobody has actually done that.

Madness: Learn C, *nix, Perl, and some basic Assembly. Then read up on basic web administration and security. From there you should know what you are doing and actually talk with knowledgable people. Please don't become a cookbook-kid or a script-kiddie. Nobody likes a wannabe. If you are really going to learn it, you have to devote time to it (like anything).

That How To Become A Hacker doc is an oldie but goodie.

**Tekime** · 09-06-2002, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by biosx
osp1keo: I went to your site. It looks nice but your doc's are lame and so are you. Please take down that AIM Virus doc; you know that its bogus. I just hope that nobody has actually done that.

It's legit, I believe.
http://www.computing.net/security/ww...forum/712.html (LOL

)
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_99437.htm
http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99437

Madness: Learn C, *nix, Perl, and some basic Assembly. Then read up on basic web administration and security. From there you should know what you are doing and actually talk with knowledgable people. Please don't become a cookbook-kid or a script-kiddie. Nobody likes a wannabe. If you are really going to learn it, you have to devote time to it (like anything).

That How To Become A Hacker doc is an oldie but goodie.

ROTFLMAO... it's like "How to be a hacker in 6 easy steps" or something. Just learn C, *nix, Perl, VBScript, Memorize the RFC's, and study your exploits! In just 4 years you could be....

Sorry it's been a long day...

**osp1keo** · 09-06-2002, 06:54 PM

biosx, that aim virus thing was there a long time.
i got a million emails per day for people wanting to know how to disabling the aim virus thing. they were complete newbees. they didnt know how to even click on the start button and how to use it. so i was chatting with them for hours. so i just ended up typing something out to teach them how to use it.
they must of been mothers or something. I really didn't ask their age.
i remember one of them being a 13 year old.

and the truth, u don't need to learn C to figure out how to hack.
you really have to first understand how alot of software works.
for example: servu, i dont know if alot of people have figured this out. but if you uncheck the security checkbox that ftp program automatically becomes a backdoor. you can also code a visualbasic program that can be binded to it, and it can automatically message you on icq. I have made one in vb some long time ago. i will be uploading it to my page.

and for those who like to learn about subsevens functions and how to put a back door on someone, that is the easy way, but you dont really learn anything.

anywho, i'll get back.

**osp1keo** · 09-06-2002, 06:57 PM

Tekime , heh i'be become famous.
hehe, i love computing.net you have no idea who i have met.

i met the top HP Company manager. heh thanks to the internet and my postings.

i met alot of people make me famous! hehe.
jokin.

just message me your computer problems or email me.
i get alot, and i dot help them all.

**biosx** · 09-06-2002, 08:37 PM

Hey, that's how a lot of people learn. I'm not saying that this will take a week, a month, or even a year. I think it depends all on your motivation and your willingness to give up time to learn. Only a couple of my math/programming friends from high school have actually kept up with the books and learned to do interesting things with Perl or C.

IMHO, just read up on anything the interests you. Don't listen to me and don't listen to anybody else. If you want to crack into people's systems and steal data, then go ahead and do that whatever way you want (sub7, back orifice, <insert script>). If you want to learn the innards of micro-architecture and bit manipulations, go ahead and start as early as possible.

SEriously, I hate all this hacker/cracker ********. People going around asking how to write virii, crack into routers, read their girlfriend's email, and **** like that. If you really want to know, then go out there a ****ing learn. It's not like people are born knowing how to write code. Phiber Optik and Mitnick didn't go around asking "What can I do with this IP address I found?" (although there is speculation that Mitnick was a horrible programmer and basically had other people write his exploits). I can't even think about going to alt.2600 b/c it has just become this "playground" for 13 year olds asking for serial #'s, program cracks, and "how to steal passwords". Everywhere you turn there are just stupid people asking stupid questions. IRC, USENET, and every forum on the web.

The information is out there, so go get it. God :rolleyes:

**osp1keo** · 09-06-2002, 10:13 PM

biosx, you are right. but i think hacking or learning it is a waste of time.
I am a C and C++ programmer.
and yes, i have writen virus programs, and trojan programs in visualbasic. I have figured it is just a waste of time.

I think people should just stick to how to make money with programming skills.

but if you really want to learn how to hack, it's up to you.

anyone out there, if you have programs you have writen or documents. email me, i can post it on my page. I do get alot of hits per day.
or if you have a banner that you want me to post on the page, email me the info of what it is.

[email protected]
webpage ( just updated ): http://www.geocities.com/osp1keo

**Tekime** · 09-06-2002, 11:54 PM

biosx:
I think that what you had said was sound advice, I was just messing around

(although there is speculation that Mitnick was a horrible programmer and basically had other people write his exploits).

lol... tell tale sign of a true hacker

j/k

osp1keo:

hehe, i love computing.net you have no idea who i have met.

It's a great site.

you can also code a visualbasic program that can be binded to it, and it can automatically message you on icq. I have made one in vb some long time ago. i will be uploading it to my page.

As interesting as the vulnerability is, you are telling me you plan on posting malicious code for the public?? You would be much more of a "hacker" if you posted an advisory and a fix

Madness:
Like biosx said if you seek the knowledge then research what interests you. Giving you links that describe how to hack into people comps, steal data, etc. would be in violation of the AUP. Have fun and seek the knowledge that interests you.

**biosx** · 09-07-2002, 02:13 AM

Tekime: Sorry if I sounded like I was counter-arguing. I was just furthering my comment I guess you could say

I liked the posting of the story of Stallman. It seemed like an interesting read from the first chapter.

osp1keo: I agree that sometimes serial programs and basic attack virii could get repetitive. However, I feel that there is more to do with programming skills than 'make money'. Look at people like Zimmerman, Torvalds, Stallman, and Wall. They all took their knowledge and ended up creating revolutionary contributions to software and computing in general.

In general I think we should never be satisfied with what we know, b/c at that point we begin to stop our learning (and therefore fall behind and lose edge). I hope I never become satisfied with myself.

**e_dawg** · 09-09-2002, 04:31 AM

I guess this is cracking...

You cannot really learn to be a real hacker -- hackers are born, not trained.

**biosx** · 09-09-2002, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by e_dawg
I guess this is cracking...

You cannot really learn to be a real hacker -- hackers are born, not trained.

Huh? Oh yeah, I forgot. Babie's are born knowing all the x86 registers and can code Perl.

My mistake

Man I wish I was one of those people.

::sigh:: :rolleyes:

**Grizzly** · 09-09-2002, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by biosx

Huh? Oh yeah, I forgot. Babie's are born knowing all the x86 registers and can code Perl.

My mistake Man I wish I was one of those people.

::sigh:: :rolleyes:

I think e_dawg's point was, that it's widely believed that there is a fine line between a "cracker" and a "hacker." And the thing that differentiates a "hacker" from a "cracker" is a certain mentality that you have to be born with. Actual knowledge/implementation/experience of "hacking" are all just details-schmetails.

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