Whats the word on NV35 / R350 / R400 ??

[Lord Cecil]

Hats off to ATI. They did it, and they did it amazingly well. Hated ATI for many years but softened up once they got thier program together and started fixing thier POS drivers. Was shocked at how strong the 9700 was over the 4600 and now I'm simply stunned, no other word for it. In all honesty, this doesn't effect me because I'm getting whatever the best is in May (graduation) but things should be interesting.

The R350 should come pretty soon and put the nail in the coffin in the FX although I'm not sure I believe the $150 bit stranger things haev already happened.

What about the NV35 ? If Nvidia gets the memory bus up to 256bit (I just woke up so I think all my numbers / terms are in order..) things should be pretty interesting. Haven't heard any tentative dates but I don't think it will be 6 months this time.

The R400 is what I'm anxious to see. Any hints towards that yet?

[Scolecite]

Right now nobody knows but speculation in March sometime.

I want the R350 to have NOTICABLE difference in games. Not just 5 frames a second over FX and 9700. Im sick of this inch by inch improvments.

I would like for once to put in a game like Morrowind and SEE the differece when I put in my new video card and put the view distance on full. Instead of just fighting to see the difference.

[adslegend]

Originally posted by Lord Cecil
What about the NV35 ? If Nvidia gets the memory bus up to 256bit (I just woke up so I think all my numbers / terms are in order..) things should be pretty interesting. Haven't heard any tentative dates but I don't think it will be 6 months this time.

LOL I almost forgot, nvidia are their own worst enemy; once their products make the shelves they make them obsolete with something else.

[iamsostupid]

Originally posted by Scolecite
Right now nobody knows but speculation in March sometime.

I want the R350 to have NOTICABLE difference in games. Not just 5 frames a second over FX and 9700. Im sick of this inch by inch improvments.

I would like for once to put in a game like Morrowind and SEE the differece when I put in my new video card and put the view distance on full. Instead of just fighting to see the difference.

Inch by inch improvements? For starters, I'd hardly say nV30 is an improvement at all over the Radeon9700 Pro, let alone an inch-by-inch improvement. If you look back and read a review of the 9700 Pro when it just came out, it slammed the Ti4600 so bad they wouldn't give charts, they gave percentages to illustrate the performance gaps. "30% here, 50% there, 20% there," if you remember. I don't know what you're talking about with these inch-by-inch things. Also, R350 will be much more than a subtle increase over 9700/nV30 performance. R350 is going to have twice as many TMU's on-chip and almost 40% more memory bandwidth than 9700 Pro

[Un4given]

Word was that R350's showing would be determined by how much, if any, faster the GFFX was than the 9700 Pro.

[fozz]

r350 is almost certainly only an 8x1 pipe architecture and mem is expected to run at around 400mhz with a core of around 400-425.basicly a super overclocked 9700 pro with mabey a few optimisations to up efficiancy.so will be a good card but certanly not a worthwile upgrade to 9700 pro if you have 1 already.r400 is were the next big jump will be and nv35 better be good to have a chance-256bit mem bus etc

[Un4given]

Originally posted by fozz
r350 is almost certainly only an 8x1 pipe architecture and mem is expected to run at around 400mhz with a core of around 400-425.basicly a super overclocked 9700 pro with mabey a few optimisations to up efficiancy.so will be a good card but certanly not a worthwile upgrade to 9700 pro if you have 1 already.r400 is were the next big jump will be and nv35 better be good to have a chance-256bit mem bus etc

You are correct. The only possible change, besides upped core/memory speeds, would have been the possibility of seeing DDR-II (GDDR3 as ATi is calling it), rather than regular DDR-I memory.

[MarcDaddy]

Realistically what major improvement will DDRII affect? How much speed will they get out of that?

[Jonas79]

Originally posted by MarcDaddy
Realistically what major improvement will DDRII affect? How much speed will they get out of that?

The big advantage is that you can clock it much higher. The GFFX has it's memory at 500MHz(1000MHz DDR). I read somewhere that samsung has a 700MHz piece coming, but I'm too lazy to figure iut where I read it. That's the advantage you need to know. The other stuff about it is just how they are able to do that.

[Un4given]

Originally posted by MarcDaddy
Realistically what major improvement will DDRII affect? How much speed will they get out of that?

It's the DDR-II type memory that is allowing nVidia to run the memory on the GFFX at 500MHz (actual clock) which is 1000MHz DDR. I would say that is quite an improvement over current DDR-I modules which tend to start topping out around 350-375MHz.

[s1203372]

Originally posted by MarcDaddy
Realistically what major improvement will DDRII affect? How much speed will they get out of that?

Well, with a 256 bit architechture running at 500 MHz base clock, DDR-II would have 32 GB/sec of bandwidth.

[Sprout]

Originally posted by Scolecite
Right now nobody knows but speculation in March sometime.

I want the R350 to have NOTICABLE difference in games. Not just 5 frames a second over FX and 9700. Im sick of this inch by inch improvments.

I would like for once to put in a game like Morrowind and SEE the differece when I put in my new video card and put the view distance on full. Instead of just fighting to see the difference.

I went from a GF2ti to a ti4600 and noticed the difference ...

You just need to learn some patience and suffer on a less than state of the art computer for a bit.