What's up with Intel?

[Wankey]

er, wait a minute.

Is it Windows 2003?

or Windows 2003 Server?

what's the difference?

and is there a Windows 2003? I heard that was Longhorn.

[FaTs]

Originally posted by Wankey
er, wait a minute.

Is it Windows 2003?

or Windows 2003 Server?

what's the difference?

and is there a Windows 2003? I heard that was Longhorn.

He's running Windows 2003 Server, I don't think longhorn has been given a retail name yet. Windows 2003 Server is a Server OS, longhorn is for the desktop.

[Marsolin]

The lower cost Itanium's will come out later this year, not next year. Desktop is also technically a mis-classification for them. They will more likely find a place in workstations, the HPCC (high performance compute clusters) market, and high density 64-bit servers (i.e. blades and/or 1U). The biggest limiter for Itanium adoption in the workstation market will continue to be the lack of a low cost infrastructure and HP being the sole producer of a workstation chipset for it. It's a shame really, since Itanium has stellar floating point performance. Expect Madison to rock when it launches in a couple weeks.

Prescott is much more than Northwood with a 1M L2 and improved hyper-threading. There are many other internal features that will also be increased/improved, but they won't be features that show up in a marketing checklist. The real advance of Prescott will be allowing more of what Northwood started--a leap forward in clock frequency for another year. One of the primary drivers for that will be Intel's release of 90nm strained Si on the 300mm wafers that Northwood is already using.

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I think AMD and Intel are generally about the same, they both have their good qualities and everything. I'm an AMD fan because they are pretty much less expensive and do about the same as similar p4's

[irwincur]

It could be said that both companies have excellent engineers, and it surprises me everytime AMD releases a new chip. Considering the size and fiscal difference you have to give AMD credit for not only holding on, but for also trying to consistantly raise the bar. However, it should be noted that with the inlcusion of IBM into AMDs future design and production, they will be getting much more competitive. How many other industries have a little guy that constantly tries to beat on the monopoly, and gets away with it. We all know that with one phone call Intel could put AMD out of business, but I am sure the government would definitely come down hard on Intel for that.

What people fail to realize is that companies of this size (both Intel and AMD) are not stupid. AMD knows what Intel is making and vice versa, for the most part, they have intelligence years out. AMD knows about where performance wise Prescott will be in a year, and similarly Intel knows where the A64 will be in a year. This allows them to engineer and produce based on future predictions. So sure, Prescott may kick *** when it comes out, but I would expect AMD to have already accounted for that and to have a match for it. When AMD began working on the Opteron/A64 they knew how much time they had before the Athlon was going to be overtaken by the P4. Unfortunately delays prevented the release at the right time, and the result has been that for the last eight months or so AMD has not been as competitive as they would have liked.

In the end what we will find is that after this generation, if AMD makes it they will be a very different company. For the first time ever AMD is offering something that Intel is not. This moves them away from the Intel clone stigma and allows them to create a stronger brand name. Whatever the case, this split in architectures will be good for the industry. It is one thing to have competition based on the same core architecture, but it is much better to have competing architectures, there are more options there. This does lead to a problem though. Testing and benchmarking both sides fairly will become a bit more difficult as we move out of the clone generation.

[ua549]

Originally posted by Marsolin
The lower cost Itanium's will come out later this year, not next year. Desktop is also technically a mis-classification for them. They will more likely find a place in workstations, the HPCC (high performance compute clusters) market, and high density 64-bit servers (i.e. blades and/or 1U). The biggest limiter for Itanium adoption in the workstation market will continue to be the lack of a low cost infrastructure and HP being the sole producer of a workstation chipset for it. It's a shame really, since Itanium has stellar floating point performance. Expect Madison to rock when it launches in a couple weeks.

Prescott is much more than Northwood with a 1M L2 and improved hyper-threading. There are many other internal features that will also be increased/improved, but they won't be features that show up in a marketing checklist. The real advance of Prescott will be allowing more of what Northwood started--a leap forward in clock frequency for another year. One of the primary drivers for that will be Intel's release of 90nm strained Si on the 300mm wafers that Northwood is already using.

Do you really think that Deerfield will actually be out as scheduled in 10 days? My gut feeling is that it will slide at least a quarter if not more as the previous workstation chips have done. I do hope it is out on time because I'm thinking of replacing my dual xeon setup.

[Marsolin]

Originally posted by ua549
Do you really think that Deerfield will actually be out as scheduled in 10 days? My gut feeling is that it will slide at least a quarter if not more as the previous workstation chips have done. I do hope it is out on time because I'm thinking of replacing my dual xeon setup.

No, only Madison will be released then, but Deerfield will come about a quarter later. I wouldn't consider it a slip though, since I have never heard it planned to launch with Madison.

You should be able to get pretty sweet performance with it if the apps you need have an Itanium version. And as was reported at IDF (I think that was that right timing), the 32-bit performance should pick up with the IA-32 Execution Layer release later this year. Of course 32-bit will still be less than Xeon and Opteron, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is often faster than the 1.8GHz Willamette I'm typing this on now. Which means you don't have to worry about office style apps getting ported. Only time, and its release, will tell though.

[ua549]

IIRC Intel has the small cache I2 in it's 1h03 roadmap.
Mikes Hardware lists -

Intel Madison 1.4 & 1.5Ghz IA64 CPU is expected to be released on June 30th. Madison is the 0.13 micron successor to the McKinley ('Itanium 2') IA64 CPU. Madison is expected to based around the McKinley core, but will contain a larger 6Mb L3 cache.

Intel Deerfield 1.3Ghz IA64 CPU is expected to be released on June 30th. Deerfield is based around the 0.13 micron Madison core, but contains a smaller 3Mb (1Mb?) L3 cache. Deerfield will be Intel's first 'value' IA-64 processor.



We'll know for sure quite soon.

[Colossus]

UA549:

Do you forsee anything new for youself in the way of Intel processors?

[Wankey]

Finally, ua579 has answered my question.

[ua549]

Originally posted by Wankey
Finally, ua579 has answered my question.

You could have looked at the Intel roadmap yourself.

[ua549]

Originally posted by Colossus
UA549:

Do you forsee anything new for youself in the way of Intel processors?

My biggest wish is to see a high end notebook chip built into a silent desktop machine with an external power brick. Just like the good old days, no noisy fans.

I'd like to get a Prescott to replace my PII-266 DNS server and Post Office.

I'd like to replace my dual Xeon workstation with a Deerfield system.

I must replace my wife's PII-266 system with something new next year, perhaps a Dothan or Tejas.

As you can tell, I don't abandon a system until it cannot perform the function it was intended to perform. I never upgrade a system, only replace them or redirect their use.

[Wankey]

Well, firstly.

Where can i find a Intel Roadmap?

Secondly, it's much easier hearing it from a friendly person in plain english than reading it from a techni document.

[ua549]

There are many sites on the net that offer roadmap info. Here are two.

http://www.intel.com/products/roadmap/

http://www.mikeshardware.co.uk/